Spat between Chief Minister and Dr Glover

[Roger Mexico]

10 minutes ago, Scotty said:

From my outside point of view, Dr G is not being very professional and losing respect. Mr W and Dr Khan are professionals and acting accordingly by not joining  this spat . Only my view . That was my comparison. 

But you're also missing the point that they are not in the same profession, nor in the same professional relationship.   Rachel is a scientist not a medical doctor and operates in a different culture with a commitment to openness , whereas medics tend to be more discreet.

That also means that she uses social media a lot more, because scientists do to communicate with each other - for a doctor your most relevant colleagues will be in the same hospital, a specialist scientist will find them all over the globe.  And many scientists also feel an obligation to communicate their work as well - something social media is ideal for.

[rachomics]

 

Just now, Roger Mexico said:

But you're also missing the point that they are not in the same profession, nor in the same professional relationship.   Rachel is a scientist not a medical doctor and operates in a different culture with a commitment to openness , whereas medics tend to be more discreet.

That also means that she uses social media a lot more, because scientists do to communicate with each other - for a doctor your most relevant colleagues will be in the same hospital, a specialist scientist will find them all over the globe.  And many scientists also feel an obligation to communicate their work as well - something social media is ideal for.

Thanks Roger, you get it. 

[HeliX]

20 minutes ago, Scotty said:

From my outside point of view, Dr G is not being very professional and losing respect. Mr W and Dr Khan are professionals and acting accordingly by not joining  this spat . Only my view . That was my comparison. 
Not saying they are involved, just using them as professional bods who act accordingly.

Well, from my point of view I quite like my biologists to have a bit of sass.

Tell you what does lose a person respect though, trying to police how other people conduct themselves on an inconsequential internet forum.

[Scotty]

21 hours ago, rachomics said:

 

Thanks Roger, you get it. 

Edited November 6, 2020 by Scotty

[PaulJ]

9 minutes ago, HeliX said:

Tell you what does lose a person respect though, trying to police how other people conduct themselves on an inconsequential internet forum.

John Wright?

Edited November 5, 2020 by PaulJ

[Apple]

2 minutes ago, Scotty said:

What has any of that got to do with the spat?

Everything. Our health and social care services have been remorselessly poorly managed and the information is all out there if you look for it. Not easy to find and much distraction and obfuscation is used to ensure a real picture is not easily obtained.

Who else would be going through what we are going through in the middle of a global pandemic. 

Who else would try and get away from producing an annual report for 3 years (Nobles hospital)

Who wants to spend precious time on organ donation when legislative time is needed for Capacity and new Mental Health Act.

And those questions are just for starters.

Complaints data as noted previously. Read and digest - believe me this is only the bare minimum:-

https://www.tynwald.org.im/business/opqp/sittings/20182021/2020-GD-0068.pdf

 

To sum up, in my view Dr G is / was right to raise the issues and in the way she did. Mr Ashford and the CM's management skills have been sadly lacking in how this was dealt with (by email and anonymised letters for goodness sake?) and we have some serious problems with the DHSC on the island.

The sadness is that the politicians we have will not deal with the multitude of problems that need resolving and that for me places the most significant public services and the public at risk.

[quilp]

54 minutes ago, Scotty said:

Unprofessional. 
Could you ever imagine Mr Wright or Dr Khan swapping insults with politicians? Correct. No they wouldn’t. 
Why do you. ? Is it just a bit of fun or do you expect to be taken seriously ? 
I stuck up for you many months ago when posters were deriding you and questioning your qualifications. 

You're not doing yourself any favours here. The dynamic duo have been busking this issue for far too long and need the challenge, legends in their own trousers they both. Now we have someone telling it like it is, without the gloss and gobbledygook, you take it upon yourself to criticise hard-earned credentials of someone in the know with courage equal to her wisdom. Of course you're entitled to but... 

Edited November 5, 2020 by quilp

[Scotty]

1 minute ago, Apple said:

Everything. Our health and social care services have been remorselessly poorly managed and the information is all out there if you look for it. Not easy to find and much distraction and obfuscation is used to ensure a real picture is not easily obtained.

Who else would be going through what we are going through in the middle of a global pandemic. 

Who else would try and get away from producing an annual report for 3 years (Nobles hospital)

Who wants to spend precious time on organ donation when legislative time is needed for Capacity and new Mental Health Act.

And those questions are just for starters.

Complaints data as noted previously. Read and digest - believe me this is only the bare minimum:-

https://www.tynwald.org.im/business/opqp/sittings/20182021/2020-GD-0068.pdf

 

To sum up, in my view Dr G is / was right to raise the issues and in the way she did. Mr Ashford and the CM's management skills have been sadly lacking in how this was dealt with (by email and anonymised letters for goodness sake?) and we have some serious problems with the DHSC on the island.

The sadness is that the politicians we have will not deal with the multitude of problems that need resolving and that for me places the most significant public services and the public at risk.

Correct in that we all have our views. Who judges them ?

[Scotty]

1 minute ago, quilp said:

You're not doing yourself any favours here. The dynamic duo have been busking this issue for far too long and need the challenge, legends in their own trousers they both. Now we have someone telling it like it is, without the gloss and gobbledygook, you take it upon yourself to criticise hard-earned credentials of someone in the know with courage equal to her wisdom. Of course you're entitled to but... 

But those two as you call them are Democratically elected. I wish Sheldon Cooper and Leonard Hofsteder were on here 😀

 

[Apple]

2 minutes ago, Scotty said:

Who judges them ?

Those who have been there and done that, those with both knowledge and experience, those who are free to express opinions and not feel threatened by not having contracts renewed, posts removed, changes to terms and conditions, being valued, respected and can work in an environment free from bullying and harassment, both overt and covert. 

[quilp]

Just now, Scotty said:

But those two as you call them are Democratically elected. I wish Sheldon Cooper and Leonard Hofsteder were on here 😀

 

Democratically elected? Are you suggesting we actually have a fair and open administration which steadfastly operates in complete transparency with the wishes of this population at heart? 😶

[BenFairfax]

36 minutes ago, Scotty said:

From my outside point of view, Dr G is not being very professional and losing respect.

Dr Glover is representing her scientific tradition she is not represented herself; she is duty bound to challenge false notions within her field of expertise (gaining good will from others is political imperative). Her views are verbatim UK SAGE (SPI-M-O: Consensus Statement on COVID-19, dated 14 Oct 2020) views, namely:

"Optimal use of testing

21. Testing can be used in conjunction with contact tracing to control transmission outbreaks and also acts a surveillance data stream to estimate the prevalence of the virus...."

[I admit I found this from school of Dr Google, the tried and tested source of majority of us who post stuff on internet without any professional training or experience in area.]

The press today failed to point out we found 2 cases from returning patients without symptoms because we test this group, but what about non-patients returning to island and their household members.

 

[Apple]

19 minutes ago, BenFairfax said:

The press today failed to point out we found 2 cases from returning patients without symptoms because we test this group, but what about non-patients returning to island and their household members.

 

Should this be part of the thread on Covid ?

[the stinking enigma]

1 hour ago, TheTeapot said:

You can just ignore 'scotty', their views on peoples characters is historically poor.

A bad character reference from dilli is worth far more in reality than any piffling doctorate.

[Sheldon]

43 minutes ago, Scotty said:

But those two as you call them are Democratically elected. I wish Sheldon Cooper and Leonard Hofsteder were on here 😀