hampsterkahn Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 DA happened to be Health Minister at the start of a Pandemic-an unenviable position. In early March, advice was scant and that from PHE was appallingly poor ( as late as 23 March PHE dismissed the risk of transmission to care homes) The DHSC had been recently rearranged with a CEO largely off Island. He managed. I think he coped very well.Unlike the chief Minister, he answered questions well, could “think on his feet “ , and didn't get irritable. Now , the “letter” incident has really tripped him up- badly. Why on earth mention receiving an anonymous letter regarding a staff member resigning ? -or anything else for that matter ? -and then going on to quote from it ? This lack of judgement has been further compounded by the announcement that the letter has been destroyed. With no sense of irony, “ Data Protection” is cited as the reason for “data” not being “protected”, Why can’t such things be quickly resolved, “Honour satisfied “ , feathers un ruffled and preened , pride, and humble pie swallowed and everyone just get back to doing their bloody jobs in these unsettled, dangerous times ? 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apple Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 As it stands the current DHSC policy is for materials used as press releases have to be kept for 6 years and DA has deviated from the Department's policy. Anyone else could be subject to some form of disciplinary process. It should be referred to the Tynwald Standards Committee. DA must be aware of the strength of feeling about this. It will undermine his future attempts now to provide the trust, confidence and integrity any DHSC Minister will need to provide as leadership to get us through the next 12 months. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uhtred Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 9 hours ago, Barlow said: Our work destroys nothing unless absolutely essential for space. Project files well and truly complete and near 20 years old might get binned although we consider scanning first. No one who is business or worldly savvy destroys anything. CERTAINLY not something a few days old and CERTAINLY not when used in a briefing. The epsiode is incredulous Of course they do destroy items that can’t sustain scrutiny or which would rapidly become a significant risk. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassie2 Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 (edited) On 11/20/2020 at 12:56 AM, hampsterkahn said: DA happened to be Health Minister at the start of a Pandemic-an unenviable position. In early March, advice was scant and that from PHE was appallingly poor ( as late as 23 March PHE dismissed the risk of transmission to care homes) The DHSC had been recently rearranged with a CEO largely off Island. He managed. I think he coped very well.Unlike the chief Minister, he answered questions well, could “think on his feet “ , and didn't get irritable. Now , the “letter” incident has really tripped him up- badly. Why on earth mention receiving an anonymous letter regarding a staff member resigning ? -or anything else for that matter ? -and then going on to quote from it ? This lack of judgement has been further compounded by the announcement that the letter has been destroyed. With no sense of irony, “ Data Protection” is cited as the reason for “data” not being “protected”, Why can’t such things be quickly resolved, “Honour satisfied “ , feathers un ruffled and preened , pride, and humble pie swallowed and everyone just get back to doing their bloody jobs in these unsettled, dangerous times ? DELETED IN PROTEST AT THE FORUM MODERATOR JW Edited January 3, 2021 by Cassie2 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 7 minutes ago, Cassie2 said: Proudest and warmest congratulations are in order again. I see that The Hon. David Ashford M.B.E., M.H.K. has now also been further honoured with the award of the D.S.M. - The Distinguished Shredding Medal. It is believed that this may be the first time that this very great honour has ever been given to someone in the Isle of Man. It is not just a very great honour for the man himself but also of course for the whole I.O.M. Government, its huge and expensive 'Communications Team', its DHSC top hierarchy and all of us here - we the people of the island. He’s had the CDM for years... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tetchtyke Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 I couldn't give the tiniest little shite about the merits of the spat between Dr Glover and Minister Ashford. I just really don't get why a grown adult politician lowered himself to this. I don't get the thought process. You thank everyone at the lab for their work, say you're sorry she feels like that, and get on with running the country. It's the lack of judgement that I find puzzling because, up to now, he's actually done a good job in very difficult circumstances. 9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 14 minutes ago, John Wright said: He’s had the CDM for years... Clinical Data Miner..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uhtred Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, quilp said: Clinical Data Miner..? Chooses Dubious Methods 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 8 minutes ago, quilp said: Clinical Data Miner..? Cadbury’s Dairy Milk, and bar? Don’t you remember “I’m sorry I’ll read that again”? On Radio Prune and starring Angus Prune and Lady Constance de Coverlet 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 Fruit and nut..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barlow Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 (edited) 26 minutes ago, tetchtyke said: It's the lack of judgement that I find puzzling because, up to now, he's actually done a good job in very difficult circumstances. I think what has happened here is an overload of ego and backslapping. The MBE doesn't help. Such people can feel they are king and can do no wrong in the eyes of the minions. Accolades and adulation above their station. Which is a shame really. Edited November 20, 2020 by Barlow 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lxxx Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 1 hour ago, tetchtyke said: I couldn't give the tiniest little shite about the merits of the spat between Dr Glover and Minister Ashford. I just really don't get why a grown adult politician lowered himself to this. I don't get the thought process. You thank everyone at the lab for their work, say you're sorry she feels like that, and get on with running the country. It's the lack of judgement that I find puzzling because, up to now, he's actually done a good job in very difficult circumstances. He allowed his ego to get the better of him. He took what was a relatively minor inter-department disagreement to heart and wanted to make a public show for reasons only he can answer. It was a really poor show of judgement and one I hope Paul Moulton keeps at like a dog with a bone, which to be fair to him he is attempting to do. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 So if I write a letter to my MHK can I expect it to be shredded pretty much straight away? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Lxxx said: He took what was a relatively minor inter-department disagreement to heart and wanted to make a public show for reasons only he can answer. Well, due to a swift shred there is now no proof that this inter-departmental disagreement existed in the first place. Seems there are quite a few who allege that it was a fast and loose fabrication. Edited November 20, 2020 by quilp Shredded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holte End Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 5 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: So if I write a letter to my MHK can I expect it to be shredded pretty much straight away? I think your lucky, I think my two are illiterate. So it is pointless, I just shred the letter myself. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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