TheTeapot Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, Holte End said: I think your lucky, I think my two are illiterate. So it is pointless, I just shred the letter myself. Ha, I was going to mention one of my MHK's is Cregeen who can't read... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 8 minutes ago, Lxxx said: He allowed his ego to get the better of him. He took what was a relatively minor inter-department disagreement to heart and wanted to make a public show for reasons only he can answer. It was a really poor show of judgement and one I hope Paul Moulton keeps at like a dog with a bone, which to be fair to him he is attempting to do. I'm not so sure that it's his ego that is the problem here, he's always been careful to praise Dr Glover and her work. The real hatred towards @rachomics seems to be coming from two sources. One is Quayle and his entourage, who dislike the idea of anyone but themselves getting credit for anything - Quayle simply refused to say anything in praise of Glover when directly asked in the Keys. All that they will admit to is the most generalised thanks to all those in the 'team' with the implication that everything is really because of those at the top of the pile and the peasants actually doing the work should just be grateful for such wonderful leadership. The second is the DHSC management, who Rachel has had problems with in the past. I think that the letter was genuine and from one of them - as I said last night Ashford didn't say that the letter was from someone involved in the testing, just the 'wider team'. We sometimes get angry,abusive defenders of the civil service bureaucracy on Manx Forums and this has the same tone: semi-literate, self-regarding, sulky, demanding, unable to make a rational argument or even recognise one. Their only belief is that they should get endless rewards and praise simply for who they are, not what they have done. And any questioning of what they do (no matter if obviously incompetent, irrational, dangerous or even illegal) is regarded as the most dreadful impertinence. Looking at the interaction between Quayle and Ashford at that press conference, I suspect the idea of reading out that ridiculous letter came from Quayle or his minions - he always gets other people to do his dirty work. He probably resents the MBE and this was the equivalent of a punishment beating. And that shows the real problem with Ashford, it's not his ego but the fact he is weak. 8 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheldon Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 22 minutes ago, Roxanne said: just as the vicar arrives at the door with his trousers down Hey, don't bash the Bishop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 (edited) Maybe we should set up a petition... "In order to recognise her part in setting up “a testing regime that is second to none” and ”the envy of many countries”, we request that Chief Minister Howard Quayle nominates Dr Rachel Glover for an MBE." Edited November 20, 2020 by Declan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, Declan said: Maybe we should set up a petition... "In order to recognise her part in setting up “a testing regime that is second to none” and ”the envy of many countries”, we request that Chief Minister Howard Quayle nominates Dr Rachel Glover for an MBE." You can nominate her yourself, on line. Nothing to do with HQ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, John Wright said: You can nominate her yourself, on line. Nothing to do with HQ But there would be more fun in getting Howard to do it! Edited November 20, 2020 by Declan 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 1 hour ago, quilp said: Fruit and nut..? Nah, that was Frank Muir and the Sugar Plum Fairy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 8 minutes ago, Declan said: But it would be more fun in getting Howard to do it! We all know what HQ and DA do with unsolicited communications 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barlow Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, John Wright said: We all know what HQ and DA do with unsolicited communications Or indeed, perhaps in the case in question, a solicited communication? Edited November 20, 2020 by Barlow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lxxx Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 36 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: I'm not so sure that it's his ego that is the problem here, he's always been careful to praise Dr Glover and her work. The real hatred towards @rachomics seems to be coming from two sources. One is Quayle and his entourage, who dislike the idea of anyone but themselves getting credit for anything - Quayle simply refused to say anything in praise of Glover when directly asked in the Keys. All that they will admit to is the most generalised thanks to all those in the 'team' with the implication that everything is really because of those at the top of the pile and the peasants actually doing the work should just be grateful for such wonderful leadership. The second is the DHSC management, who Rachel has had problems with in the past. I think that the letter was genuine and from one of them - as I said last night Ashford didn't say that the letter was from someone involved in the testing, just the 'wider team'. We sometimes get angry,abusive defenders of the civil service bureaucracy on Manx Forums and this has the same tone: semi-literate, self-regarding, sulky, demanding, unable to make a rational argument or even recognise one. Their only belief is that they should get endless rewards and praise simply for who they are, not what they have done. And any questioning of what they do (no matter if obviously incompetent, irrational, dangerous or even illegal) is regarded as the most dreadful impertinence. Looking at the interaction between Quayle and Ashford at that press conference, I suspect the idea of reading out that ridiculous letter came from Quayle or his minions - he always gets other people to do his dirty work. He probably resents the MBE and this was the equivalent of a punishment beating. And that shows the real problem with Ashford, it's not his ego but the fact he is weak. Good points. I have always seen Ashford as a very dependable and malleable lapdog to Quayle, maybe there is some truth in your post. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 For their unstinting actions in the face of such threatening adversity I cannot for the life of me see how we Manxies can reward enough our great and good for their tenacity and utter self-disregard. Maybe some sort of nominal financial gift? Oh wait! What's this..? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 49 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: I'm not so sure that it's his ego that is the problem here, he's always been careful to praise Dr Glover and her work. The real hatred towards @rachomics seems to be coming from two sources. One is Quayle and his entourage, who dislike the idea of anyone but themselves getting credit for anything - Quayle simply refused to say anything in praise of Glover when directly asked in the Keys. All that they will admit to is the most generalised thanks to all those in the 'team' with the implication that everything is really because of those at the top of the pile and the peasants actually doing the work should just be grateful for such wonderful leadership. The second is the DHSC management, who Rachel has had problems with in the past. I think that the letter was genuine and from one of them - as I said last night Ashford didn't say that the letter was from someone involved in the testing, just the 'wider team'. We sometimes get angry,abusive defenders of the civil service bureaucracy on Manx Forums and this has the same tone: semi-literate, self-regarding, sulky, demanding, unable to make a rational argument or even recognise one. Their only belief is that they should get endless rewards and praise simply for who they are, not what they have done. And any questioning of what they do (no matter if obviously incompetent, irrational, dangerous or even illegal) is regarded as the most dreadful impertinence. Looking at the interaction between Quayle and Ashford at that press conference, I suspect the idea of reading out that ridiculous letter came from Quayle or his minions - he always gets other people to do his dirty work. He probably resents the MBE and this was the equivalent of a punishment beating. And that shows the real problem with Ashford, it's not his ego but the fact he is weak. +1. I think he's been put up to this and whoever has done it has realised that he'd be gullible enough to do it. Which is a crying shame because he'd accumulated so much credit for his performance and handling of this business previously. Somebody(ies) with an axe to grind with RG decided they needed a patsy to administer the poison. Which is just what our elected are for. Personally that directs my gaze away from HQ. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 Lee Harvey Ashford 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 Sorry, just had to, couldn't resist it... A little light relief... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 He and Patrick Campbell on 'Call My Bluff'. A great spontaneous double-act. Hilarious banter, had me in hysterics as a kid. Perhaps a suitable title for another local and hilarious double-act... 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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