The Dog's Dangly Bits Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 8 hours ago, Roger Mexico said: There's not much evidence either way that the various vaccines prevent transmission rather than just stop more serious forms of the disease developing. And given that we do know that asymptomatic patients can pass the virus on, it's not unlikely that those with very mild forms can do so too - though you would expect not as effectively as those seriously affected. But even if transmission is stopped, there's no evidence 90% will be enough - a lot of those infected will still get into the population and pass it on to the unvaccinated. And given that the full population is unlikely to be vaccinated for some time (or to a high enough percentage for herd immunity to be fully effective), it's still going to mean that there will be cases of Covid. The truth is that we really don't have much idea of the real effectiveness of the vaccines (nor how they compare) until they are at use in the population. The numbers in the samples of those who caught Covid were pretty small (around 100-ish) and under non-normal conditions for good ethical reasons. It's hopeful so far, but there's not enough information for certainty. The only thing the trials tell us with near-certainty is that the vaccines are safe, because that is tested on the whole sample of those treated, not just those who encountered Covid. But that's all you need really. Covid is unlikely to be completely irradicated. The idea of the vaccine will be that it works sufficiently that Covid simply becomes something that kills a few people each year. It'll just be another thing that a very small segment of the population die from. In reality it's a very small segment of people now. With no vaccine. The vaccine, thankfully, will be the silver bullet that will finally allow the governments to stop making Covid a specific topic point. As soon as that happens companies can get back to normal. Most company policies at the moment are driven by fear and paranoia of contravening "government guidelines" and being left open to litigation. Unfortunately the elderly are going to remain vunerable. To loads of things. That's the downside of getting old. Quite how long Howard and CoMin (and the UK Government) are prepared to over legislate for this once a vaccine arrives will be interesting. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nom de plume Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 Do you think they’ll tell us how many initial doses we are to receive & to whom they’ll be administered & when this will happen? Nah, me neither ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dog's Dangly Bits Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Nom de plume said: Do you think they’ll tell us how many initial doses we are to receive & to whom they’ll be administered & when this will happen? Nah, me neither ... Isn't the number they will receive already set based on our population and the number the UK government receives? It'll be administered exactly as the UK government do it. That seems fairly basic to understand, to me. Given everything we do is driven from there what are you expecting them to say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nom de plume Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, The Dog's Dangly Bits said: Isn't the number they will receive already set based on our population and the number the UK government receives? It'll be administered exactly as the UK government do it. That seems fairly basic to understand, to me. Given everything we do is driven from there what are you expecting them to say? More than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holte End Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 (edited) 29 minutes ago, The Dog's Dangly Bits said: Quite how long Howard and CoMin (and the UK Government) are prepared to over legislate for this once a vaccine arrives will be interesting. How are Government going to transport this vaccine to the island, when it needs to be kept at minimum of minus 70 degrees. What type of refrigerated units are there that can store the vaccine and what form of transport would be used. Edited December 2, 2020 by Holte End Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nom de plume Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, Holte End said: How are Government going to transport this vaccine to the island, when it needs to be kept at minimum of minus 70 degrees. What type of refrigerated units are there that can store the vaccine and what form of transport would be used. One would imagine (hope) they have the logistics already sorted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted December 2, 2020 Author Share Posted December 2, 2020 10 minutes ago, Nom de plume said: One would imagine (hope) they have the logistics already sorted. Channel Islands have already announced where vaccine will be administered and who will get it. Howie will probably wait & see until new year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxman2000 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 (edited) This vaccine is being rolled out to hospitals in the first phase due to the storage temp. By the time the NHS is covered it is bound for care home staff and residents. The Isle of Man has no need for the vaccine in a hurry as the borders are closed and with a small population it is easy to account for people isolating. The next company to come on line with a vaccine that should be easily stored would head for the islands. The biggest problem I think is the uptake in the uk, only about 50% at present. Not enough to reduce the virus well enough but enough to cause problems for IOM, Guernsey, unless the borders remain closed. I don’t think that is sustainable. Info on vaccine from Sky News this morning re first phase roll out, Edited December 2, 2020 by Manxman2000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 8 minutes ago, Manxman2000 said: The Isle of Man has no need for the vaccine in a hurry as the borders are closed and with a small population it is easy to account for people isolating. Where have you read that? Or is that your assumption? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 51 minutes ago, Holte End said: How are Government going to transport this vaccine to the island, when it needs to be kept at minimum of minus 70 degrees. What type of refrigerated units are there that can store the vaccine and what form of transport would be used. For your reassurance, this is done all the time with other substances and is not a logistical issue. There is mains power on the ship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said: Where have you read that? Or is that your HaHa. Yes maybe he thinks we just sit tight for a few years while the rest of the world sorts it out. Edited December 2, 2020 by Happier diner Wrong thread 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 14 minutes ago, Happier diner said: For your reassurance, this is done all the time with other substances and is not a logistical issue. There is mains power on the ship. It's even easier than I thought as it can survive a few days out of the fridge https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-54889084 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holte End Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Nom de plume said: One would imagine (hope) they have the logistics already sorted. Watching BBC this morning the UK Minister was shy when asked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted December 2, 2020 Author Share Posted December 2, 2020 Channel Islands have already announced their vaccination plans, where it will be administered etc https://jerseyeveningpost.com/news/2020/12/02/breaking-pfizer-vaccine-approved-for-use/ https://guernseypress.com/news/2020/12/02/uk-is-first-to-approve-covid-vaccine-from-pfizer-and-biontech/ Howie will wait & see and keep borders closed!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxman2000 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Andy Onchan said: Where have you read that? Or is that your assumption? No assumption, we are not able to get home due to our main residence being in Anglesey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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