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8 hours ago, Roger Mexico said:

There's not much evidence either way that the various vaccines prevent transmission rather than just stop more serious forms of the disease developing.  And given that we do know that asymptomatic patients can pass the virus on, it's not unlikely that those with very mild forms can do so too - though you would expect not as effectively as those seriously affected.

But even if transmission is stopped, there's no evidence 90% will be enough - a lot of those infected will still get into the population and pass it on to the unvaccinated.  And given that the full population is unlikely to be vaccinated for some time (or to a high enough percentage for herd immunity to be fully effective), it's still going to mean that there will be cases of Covid.

The truth is that we really don't have much idea of the real effectiveness of the vaccines (nor how they compare) until they are at use in the population.  The numbers in the samples of those who caught Covid were pretty small (around 100-ish) and under non-normal conditions for good ethical reasons.  It's hopeful so far, but there's not enough information for certainty.  The only thing the trials tell us with near-certainty is that the vaccines are safe, because that is tested on the whole sample of those treated, not just those who encountered Covid.

But that's all you need really.

Covid is unlikely to be completely irradicated.   The idea of the vaccine will be that it works sufficiently that Covid simply becomes something that kills a few people each year. It'll just be another thing that a very small segment of the population die from.

In reality it's a very small segment of people now.  With no vaccine.  

The vaccine, thankfully, will be the silver bullet that will finally allow the governments to stop making Covid a specific topic point.  As soon as that happens companies can get back to normal.  Most company policies at the moment are driven by fear and paranoia of contravening "government guidelines" and being left open to litigation.   

Unfortunately the elderly are going to remain vunerable.  To loads of things.  That's the downside of getting old.  Quite how long Howard and CoMin (and the UK Government) are prepared to over legislate for this once a vaccine arrives will be interesting.

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1 minute ago, Nom de plume said:

Do you think they’ll tell us how many initial doses we are to receive & to whom they’ll be administered & when this will happen?

Nah, me neither ...

Isn't the number they will receive already set based on our population and the number the UK government receives?

It'll be administered exactly as the UK government do it.  That seems fairly basic to understand, to me.  Given everything we do is driven from there what are you expecting them to say?

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4 minutes ago, The Dog's Dangly Bits said:

Isn't the number they will receive already set based on our population and the number the UK government receives?

It'll be administered exactly as the UK government do it.  That seems fairly basic to understand, to me.  Given everything we do is driven from there what are you expecting them to say?

More than that.

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29 minutes ago, The Dog's Dangly Bits said:

Quite how long Howard and CoMin (and the UK Government) are prepared to over legislate for this once a vaccine arrives will be interesting.

How are Government going to transport this vaccine to the island,                                                                                                                                            

when it needs to be kept at minimum of minus 70 degrees.                                                                                                                                        

What type of refrigerated units are there that can store the vaccine and what form of transport would be used.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Holte End said:

How are Government going to transport this vaccine to the island,                                                                                                                                            

when it needs to be kept at minimum of minus 70 degrees.                                                                                                                                        

What type of refrigerated units are there that can store the vaccine and what form of transport would be used.

 

 

One would imagine (hope) they have the logistics already sorted.

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This vaccine is being rolled out to hospitals in the first phase due to the storage temp.  By the time the NHS is covered it is bound for care home staff and residents.  The Isle of Man has no need for the vaccine in a hurry as the borders are closed and with a small population it is easy to account for people isolating. The next company to come on line with a vaccine that should be easily stored would head for the islands.  The biggest problem I think is the uptake in the uk, only about 50% at present.  Not enough to reduce the virus well enough but enough to cause problems for IOM, Guernsey,  unless the borders remain closed. I don’t think that is sustainable.    Info on vaccine from Sky News this morning re first phase roll out, 

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51 minutes ago, Holte End said:

How are Government going to transport this vaccine to the island,                                                                                                                                            

when it needs to be kept at minimum of minus 70 degrees.                                                                                                                                        

What type of refrigerated units are there that can store the vaccine and what form of transport would be used.

 

 

For your reassurance, this is done all the time with other substances and is not a logistical issue. There is mains power on the ship.

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