TheTeapot Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 13 minutes ago, Happier diner said: 1) The first jab gives 70%-90% protection 2) Why would the supplies dry up. Even if they did its not an issue as it won't dry up for ever and, even if it did, the first jab has given some good protection. . 1) The first jab gives an initial protection with no data to say that it lasts any length of time. We will soon find out. 2) Because there is enormous global demand, bidding wars, manufacturing pressures, because the UK is desperate and may decide they need it, because it is the winter and delivery disruption is entirely possible. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Out of the blue Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 43 minutes ago, Annoymouse said: They did say they want enough to give the second jab within 21 days, I believe they’re planning to give the same vaccine as the 1st jab as there was talk of the UK doing some sort of hybrid 1st Pfizer and 2nd Oxford which was quickly shut down by both companies, so now the UK is rapidly vaccinating people with the 1st and are unlikely to deliver the 2nd within the 21 days recommend. I have had two family members in the UK get both Pfizer jabs within the 21 days as recommended, so I am not sure the UK are sticking strictly to their amended plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 53 minutes ago, Happier diner said: That's very true. However what we are doing (it seems) is saving everyone's second jab, effectively reserving it in the freezer. This is based upon the fear that supplies will dry up and we won't be able to apply the second jab in 3 weeks time. IMO this is over cautious in the extreme and that caution is absolutely misplaced and a danger. This is because 1) The first jab gives 70%-90% protection 2) Why would the supplies dry up. Even if they did its not an issue as it won't dry up for ever and, even if it did, the first jab has given some good protection. 3) This process is slowing down the whole point of vaccination. If we continue then we are vaccinating 1000 a week to a high standard but leaving 1000 who could have started their protection. I hope to god I am wrong but now its here on Island, some poor devil could be very ill (or worse) just because of this strange approach. Like you, I reckon some protection is better than no protection at all. Whoever is calling shots (pun not really intended!) on how this is being rolled out would appears to have little faith in the manufacturers or regulators opinion that there is protection from day one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 Seems to me natural herd immunity will be achieved in most places before vaccine herd immunity 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annoymouse Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 22 minutes ago, Out of the blue said: I have had two family members in the UK get both Pfizer jabs within the 21 days as recommended, so I am not sure the UK are sticking strictly to their amended plan. I would imagine it might well depend on local counties, how many cases, average age of the population etc unfortunately most of the news we see is all the focus about London & south east, I can imagine Scotland has a very different rollout plan for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annoymouse Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 8 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said: Like you, I reckon some protection is better than no protection at all. Whoever is calling shots (pun not really intended!) on how this is being rolled out would appears to have little faith in the manufacturers or regulators opinion that there is protection from day one. There was talk last week that even when vaccinated people could potentially carry and spread the virus to others, but they wouldn’t be affected personally, it was almost like the vaccine changes people from Symptomatic to Asymptomatic, that was certainly one concern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrighty Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 From the Economist: ”In 1947, New York City vaccinated 5m people against smallpox in 2 weeks” Bet they didn’t wait for indemnity agreements, or insist on retired nurses completing 18 separate courses before being allowed to give jabs 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamon Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 39 minutes ago, wrighty said: From the Economist: ”In 1947, New York City vaccinated 5m people against smallpox in 2 weeks” Bet they didn’t wait for indemnity agreements, or insist on retired nurses completing 18 separate courses before being allowed to give jabs My neighbour (a retired nurse) hasn't even been contacted since she first volunteered her services. Do the DHSC actually have any plans in place at all????? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, wrighty said: From the Economist: ”In 1947, New York City vaccinated 5m people against smallpox in 2 weeks” Bet they didn’t wait for indemnity agreements, or insist on retired nurses completing 18 separate courses before being allowed to give jabs Now there's a thing.... do health authorities use vaccine guns (jet injectors) these days? Edited January 12, 2021 by Andy Onchan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Gay'n Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 10 minutes ago, dreamon said: My neighbour (a retired nurse) hasn't even been contacted since she first volunteered her services. Do the DHSC actually have any plans in place at all????? Come on, they're probably not all back from their hols yet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bankfern Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 England has recruited 80000 volunteers to give jabs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 1 hour ago, wrighty said: From the Economist: ”In 1947, New York City vaccinated 5m people against smallpox in 2 weeks” Bet they didn’t wait for indemnity agreements, or insist on retired nurses completing 18 separate courses before being allowed to give jabs There wasn't the litigation culture then? (Oh the irony, given it's the States). Plus it was only 2 years after WW2. People were still used/conditioned to "shit happens" loss of life? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 1 hour ago, dreamon said: My neighbour (a retired nurse) hasn't even been contacted since she first volunteered her services. Do the DHSC actually have any plans in place at all????? D.A. said they had enough to carry out jabs in line with availability of vaccine. He said more could offer to cover any “no shows “ or whatever, was my understanding. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 56 minutes ago, Bankfern said: England has recruited 80000 volunteers to give jabs Could we get a couple over as key workers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 2 hours ago, Annoymouse said: There was talk last week that even when vaccinated people could potentially carry and spread the virus to others, but they wouldn’t be affected personally, it was almost like the vaccine changes people from Symptomatic to Asymptomatic, that was certainly one concern. Its only 'possibly'. The experts seem to think kit unlikely but until tested in anger we will not know 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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