Banker Posted February 4, 2021 Author Share Posted February 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, the stinking enigma said: Were the participants in these original trials tested for antibodies before taking the vaccine? I would have thought so as they did extensive tests to make sure healthy etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 48 minutes ago, the stinking enigma said: Were the participants in these original trials tested for antibodies before taking the vaccine? Yes they were. They were also tested during the trial. That is one of the reasons for believing that it works in people over 65. Although the numbers of over 65's in the trial who actually caught the disease after vaccination was low, the antibody response in the vaccinated group in that age group was found to be almost identical to the antibody response in the younger participants 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 Would there be figures available for whether the vaccine was more or less effective in those that had covid antibodies prior to taking the vaccine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 1 minute ago, the stinking enigma said: Would there be figures available for whether the vaccine was more or less effective in those that had covid antibodies prior to taking the vaccine? As far as I know, one of the criteria for entering the trial was an absence of antibodies prior to being vaccinated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 5 hours ago, Cambon said: Correct. However, the thinking is that the two vaccines attack the spike protein of the virus in different ways. By mixing the two the result could give better protection against mutations. Tests are being done at different intervals up to three months. Vaccines don't attack anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 5 hours ago, Cambon said: Correct. However, the thinking is that the two vaccines attack the spike protein of the virus in different ways. By mixing the two the result could give better protection against mutations. Tests are being done at different intervals up to three months. I know it sounds pedantic but I see what you meant. The vaccines show our body something to train our immune system. In some case this is genetic material from the spike protein. It kind of seems common sense that there might be benefit of having two different vaccines using a different bit of genetic material, but then I would be guessin.g Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 52 minutes ago, the stinking enigma said: Would there be figures available for whether the vaccine was more or less effective in those that had covid antibodies prior to taking the vaccine? That would make sense, otherwise they wouldn't know if it had been the vaccine that worked or the natural immunity 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryFuchwit Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 One for someone that knows what they are talking about- is it possible to be over vaccinated? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 44 minutes ago, TerryFuchwit said: One for someone that knows what they are talking about- is it possible to be over vaccinated? It seems unlikely if the virus keeps on mutating (as it will), as the vaccine may need to be altered to take account of the mutations, a bit like the flu jab which people have every year. There are some vaccines, such as Tetanus, where it is possible to be over vaccinated. It doesn't do any real harm, but increases the likelihood of a troublesome localised reaction to the vaccine. But that is a very different situation as the bacteria that causes tetanus doesn't change in the same way that viruses can Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 The UK has passed the 10M mark for vaccine jabs. If the IOM pro-rata calcs are correct (0.0013) then DHSC should have done 13K by now. They have done 9.6K. Why haven't DHSC administered the equivalent? Also, what checks/protocols are in place to ensure that IOM DHSC are actually getting the correct number of vaccines delivered? And why are some +90 & +80 year olds living out in the community only getting their vaccinations this week and not done at home at the same time as care home residents? Just because they are living independently doesn't mean they are less vulnerable. Who's making the decisions on who gets vaccinated and when? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryFuchwit Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 5 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said: The UK has passed the 10M mark for vaccine jabs. If the IOM pro-rata calcs are correct (0.0013) then DHSC should have done 13K by now. They have done 9.6K. Why haven't DHSC administered the equivalent? Also, what checks/protocols are in place to ensure that IOM DHSC are actually getting the correct number of vaccines delivered? And why are some +90 & +80 year olds living out in the community only getting their vaccinations this week and not done at home at the same time as care home residents? Just because they are living independently doesn't mean they are less vulnerable. Who's making the decisions on who gets vaccinated and when? How do you know those 80 and 90 year olds haven't been offered a home vaccination if they are struggling to go for one under their own steam? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 Just now, TerryFuchwit said: How do you know those 80 and 90 year olds haven't been offered a home vaccination if they are struggling to go for one under their own steam? Because two of them are relatives and another is a neighbour across the road. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 20 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said: The UK has passed the 10M mark for vaccine jabs. If the IOM pro-rata calcs are correct (0.0013) then DHSC should have done 13K by now. They have done 9.6K. Why haven't DHSC administered the equivalent? Also, what checks/protocols are in place to ensure that IOM DHSC are actually getting the correct number of vaccines delivered? And why are some +90 & +80 year olds living out in the community only getting their vaccinations this week and not done at home at the same time as care home residents? Just because they are living independently doesn't mean they are less vulnerable. Who's making the decisions on who gets vaccinated and when? Figures out of date. Done 10,300 and at 600+/- a day will overtake Uk within a week of Chester Street vaccination hub coming on line (10 days from now ). How are UK home alone seniors getting vaccinated? Only the housebound are being jabbed at home. Same here. The order is also on line. Same as UK. It’s 80+ & care homes, frontline medical/nursing/care and ancillary staff, 75+, 70+ and extremely clinically vulnerable. GP’s provide the info from their records to DHSC who send out the invitation letters. Google search the IOM Covid vaccination dashboard. We’ve about 13,000 doses delivered and in store. Enough to deliver second doses to all those who’ve had a first dose and 3,600-4,000 for next week’s first doses. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted February 5, 2021 Author Share Posted February 5, 2021 41 minutes ago, TerryFuchwit said: How do you know those 80 and 90 year olds haven't been offered a home vaccination if they are struggling to go for one under their own steam? A friend of my mothers whose 92 and housebound is also struggling to get a home visit, not sure why they couldn’t be done when visiting care homes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted February 5, 2021 Author Share Posted February 5, 2021 Vaccine passports back on agenda, https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/uk-planning-vaccine-passport-allow-23446580?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar&fbclid=IwAR1P57jowpszfx_2ogSNSgKGkrLIsrYuitop1NFg_kxe7BRyumW_YkD4JY8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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