Vaccine- who will have it?

[pongo]

6 hours ago, Utah 01 said:

You may  find this of interest - I certainly did.  In summary:

'This video discusses new surprise discovery (yet to be confirmed by other scientists) that SARS-CoV-2 full length spike protein can enter human cell nuclei and interfere with fixing of broken DNA damage. Authors of the study propose this might have been evolved in order to prevent genetic recombination required to produce antibody variety to successfully attack the virus. If true, and if this could have important implications for potential negative health outcomes and might require reconfiguration of vaccine design.'

It's a balanced assessment bu undoubtedly underlines the fact the 'the State' is pumping vaccine into its citizens, and imploring them to keep on doing so, without any idea about the real short-term and long-term affects.

 

Firstly - I have looked at this with an open mind.

He talks specifically about the potential for a cancer risk. The research he quotes does not seem to - from what I can see. He seems to have extrapolated that.

That does not necessarily mean that he is wrong. But equally - because he talks about cancer that means that his channel, his business, gets more traffic.

That one word.

Edited November 15, 2021 by pongo

[pongo]

If this youtuber has monetization enabled (there is no way to know) then so far today that video will likely have earned him somewhere between $5000 and $10,000 (content creators are not all on the same rate).

[Banker]

Northern Ireland introduces vaccine passports, only England left now as all other uk governments plus Ireland have introduced 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-59325108.amp

[Johnny F]

On 11/15/2021 at 12:20 PM, offshoremanxman said:

The decision on NHS vaccination is being kicked down the road anyway. It’s only going to apply from next April to give people time to get vaccinated. It will be kicked further down the road then as well as they can’t do without the staff. The care sector is going to be the one with the real problem as they’re asking to take over peoples lives via mandatory vaccinations as well as give them s**t wages and long shifts. People will just go off and do something else. 

I suspect that if any of the unvaccinated staff leave in April they will be the ones that are close to retirement anyway.

 But surely the bigger question here is; if frontline health professionals are prepared to ignore the strong advice from their professional bodies to get vaccinated, what other advice are they ignoring whilst carrying out their work on us?

Maybe your surgeon decides he doesn't need to wear gloves or your nurse decides she doesn't need to check your blood pressure cause she thinks she knows better?  Where does this freestyle healthcare decision making stop? 

[Johnny F]

2 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said:

Why would the older ones be the ones not to be vaccinated? That’s just the start of picking holes in your nonsense post.

Of the unvaccinated, it will be the older ones who retire

[Roger Mexico]

1 hour ago, Johnny F said:

But surely the bigger question here is; if frontline health professionals are prepared to ignore the strong advice from their professional bodies to get vaccinated, what other advice are they ignoring whilst carrying out their work on us?

Maybe your surgeon decides he doesn't need to wear gloves or your nurse decides she doesn't need to check your blood pressure cause she thinks she knows better?  Where does this freestyle healthcare decision making stop? 

There's a difference.  Vaccination is 'only' strongly recommended by the professional bodies.  They're not saying that their members must have them or they will remove their ability to practice.  Misbehaving in the other sort of ways you suggest, would result in that however.

[Banker]

There’s going to be a lot more pressure to get vaccinated as Europe are imposing more restrictions on unvaccinated, also all UK except England introduces vaccine passports for hospitality 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59320515

 

[GD4ELI]

6 minutes ago, Banker said:

There’s going to be a lot more pressure to get vaccinated as Europe are imposing more restrictions on unvaccinated, also all UK except England introduces vaccine passports for hospitality 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59320515

 

TT 2022? Not a chance...

[monasqueen]

What is needed is a good incentive to have the vaccine, like the new rule in part of India. 😁

"Madhya Pradesh’s Khandwa district excise office on Thursday announced a new rule where it mandated that liquor will be sold only to those who have received both doses of the Covid-19 vaccine.

The order states that the 74 liquor stores across Khandwa have been intimated regarding this new rule which will require the customers to get fully inoculated in order to be eligible for buying liquor.

The order pointed out that the measure was taken in a bid to boost vaccination amongst citizens as the state continues its mega vaccination campaign."

https://todaynews24.top/new-rule-no-liquor-for-the-unvaccinated-in-this-district-of-madhya-pradesh/

[Danoo]

26 minutes ago, monasqueen said:

What is needed is a good incentive to have the vaccine, like the new rule in part of India. 😁

"Madhya Pradesh’s Khandwa district excise office on Thursday announced a new rule where it mandated that liquor will be sold only to those who have received both doses of the Covid-19 vaccine.

The order states that the 74 liquor stores across Khandwa have been intimated regarding this new rule which will require the customers to get fully inoculated in order to be eligible for buying liquor.

The order pointed out that the measure was taken in a bid to boost vaccination amongst citizens as the state continues its mega vaccination campaign."

https://todaynews24.top/new-rule-no-liquor-for-the-unvaccinated-in-this-district-of-madhya-pradesh/

We have now entered the Twilight Zone.

[Banker]

1 hour ago, monasqueen said:

What is needed is a good incentive to have the vaccine, like the new rule in part of India. 😁

"Madhya Pradesh’s Khandwa district excise office on Thursday announced a new rule where it mandated that liquor will be sold only to those who have received both doses of the Covid-19 vaccine.

The order states that the 74 liquor stores across Khandwa have been intimated regarding this new rule which will require the customers to get fully inoculated in order to be eligible for buying liquor.

The order pointed out that the measure was taken in a bid to boost vaccination amongst citizens as the state continues its mega vaccination campaign."

https://todaynews24.top/new-rule-no-liquor-for-the-unvaccinated-in-this-district-of-madhya-pradesh/

The incentive in most countries is that you can not use indoor hospitality, sports events or even work in some roles eg health, teachers , emergency services or all government workers in some countries 

[AcousticallyChallenged]

On 11/15/2021 at 1:46 PM, Utah 01 said:

You may  find this of interest - I certainly did.  In summary:

'This video discusses new surprise discovery (yet to be confirmed by other scientists) that SARS-CoV-2 full length spike protein can enter human cell nuclei and interfere with fixing of broken DNA damage. Authors of the study propose this might have been evolved in order to prevent genetic recombination required to produce antibody variety to successfully attack the virus. If true, and if this could have important implications for potential negative health outcomes and might require reconfiguration of vaccine design.'

It's a balanced assessment bu undoubtedly underlines the fact the 'the State' is pumping vaccine into its citizens, and imploring them to keep on doing so, without any idea about the real short-term and long-term affects.

Take a read of this article. https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/coronavirus-vaccines-and-cancer

It’s a balanced view, and explains in fairly straight terms what the study actually looked at, and the drawbacks of it. 

[Whatnonsence]

Looks like up to 200 hundred people didn’t turn up for the jab yesterday which is appalling given we must be near the top in the world for infections.

or is this acceptable in a democracy?

[cissolt]

14 minutes ago, Whatnonsence said:

Looks like up to 200 hundred people didn’t turn up for the jab yesterday which is appalling given we must be near the top in the world for infections.

or is this acceptable in a democracy?

If 200 people failed to turn up on one day that suggests a failure of the booking system

[Andy Onchan]

3 minutes ago, cissolt said:

If 200 people failed to turn up on one day that suggests a failure of the booking system

Did these people who failed to turn up actually get the invite letter??