Albert Tatlock Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 1 hour ago, John Wright said: I can’t add up. It’s 2800 per month/700 per month @ £50 per test x 3 tests = £420k The 4–4–5 calendar divides a year into four quarters of 13 weeks grouped into two 4-week "months" and one 5-week "month". So December is 5 weeks. 700 a week * 5 = 3500 420k/3500 = £60 Also, some will choose not to test and isolate 21 days. I heard that was around 10% of arrivals. I think Alf's just made a back of a fag packet calculation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted January 20, 2021 Author Share Posted January 20, 2021 9 minutes ago, Albert Tatlock said: The 4–4–5 calendar divides a year into four quarters of 13 weeks grouped into two 4-week "months" and one 5-week "month". So December is 5 weeks. 700 a week * 5 = 3500 420k/3500 = £60 Also, some will choose not to test and isolate 21 days. I heard that was around 10% of arrivals. I think Alf's just made a back of a fag packet calculation. Bit like he did for support schemes and then halved the amount! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 3 hours ago, quilp said: Are you assuming that recovery from, or vaccination against covid, provides life-long immunity? I don't know myself for sure. If it means a yearly vaccination then it's likely someone will be missed. Yes, but again, 90% of people who have died with Covid were over 70. Vaccinate them and the vulnerable and let the rest of us get on with it, like flu! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted January 20, 2021 Author Share Posted January 20, 2021 Here’s a BBC report on vaccinations requirement from saga & future https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55738918 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Albert Tatlock said: The 4–4–5 calendar divides a year into four quarters of 13 weeks grouped into two 4-week "months" and one 5-week "month". So December is 5 weeks. 700 a week * 5 = 3500 420k/3500 = £60 Also, some will choose not to test and isolate 21 days. I heard that was around 10% of arrivals. I think Alf's just made a back of a fag packet calculation. I presumed it was 700 people a week returning, each having 3 tests. Normally they would pay £50 per test so 700 x £150 is £105,000 a week. Assuming 4 weeks in a month = £420,000 per month Some people may currently choose not to have a test and isolate for 21 days, but that is unlikely if they don't have to pay for the tests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 2 hours ago, Albert Tatlock said: The 4–4–5 calendar divides a year into four quarters of 13 weeks grouped into two 4-week "months" and one 5-week "month". So December is 5 weeks. 700 a week * 5 = 3500 420k/3500 = £60 Also, some will choose not to test and isolate 21 days. I heard that was around 10% of arrivals. I think Alf's just made a back of a fag packet calculation. Was it Eddie Teare's packet? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, Cambon said: Yes, but again, 90% of people who have died with Covid were over 70. Vaccinate them and the vulnerable and let the rest of us get on with it, like flu! Seems all is not as it should be with the Pfizer vaccine, reports from Israel indicate a discrepancy with claims by the manufacturer and immunity levels, that it may be less effective than originally touted even following the second dose. New variants of the virus may also be a continuing problem... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/19/single-covid-vaccine-dose-in-israel-less-effective-than-we-hoped Yet contradictory research indicates it may be too early to draw any conclusions... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55734257 Edited January 21, 2021 by quilp BBC link 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 11 hours ago, John Wright said: No always said test cost was £50 when day 7 testing was introduced This is true. We should clarify that the cost you quote is the cost to the traveller I.e. the fee charged. It becomes complex if we try to work out the cost to government as this will depend upon the no of tests carried out. There will be a large fixed cost element of the testing (establishment of test facility/salaries) and then of course the kits themselves. Obviously Alf didn't give enough detail to have a chance of working this out. I imagine, and it's an educated guess, that the £50 per test is extremely good value and only part offsets the cost to government. That's why I get grumpy with these people who choose to visit UK and then moan about having to pay for tests on return. Whilst I see it's not their fault there are restrictions it's only fair that they at least pay the variable element of the test cost on return, which is what I think they do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 (edited) How will IOM people prove they've been vaccinated? Edited January 21, 2021 by snowman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apple Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 11 minutes ago, snowman said: How will IOM people prove they've been vaccinated? I suggested the need for certifications a couple of months ago. Rich people / cruisers/ travellers will want, after all that has happened/ the reassurance that those members of the "lower' parts of society - the precariat - are safe to be around and deliver their basic services as usual. (porters, cleaners, cooks etc). It will further widen our unequal society. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apple Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 1 minute ago, Apple said: It will further widen our unequal society. Sorry, forgot to add: And wait until the health insurance industry starts to crawl all over this. Yes, there will be some money to make in our Post Pandemic World. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted January 21, 2021 Author Share Posted January 21, 2021 21 minutes ago, snowman said: How will IOM people prove they've been vaccinated? It’s started in cruise industry as well as posted yesterday, Howie says it’s a global decision to issue certification but as already seen industry is taking the lead now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Happier diner said: This is true. We should clarify that the cost you quote is the cost to the traveller I.e. the fee charged. It becomes complex if we try to work out the cost to government as this will depend upon the no of tests carried out. There will be a large fixed cost element of the testing (establishment of test facility/salaries) and then of course the kits themselves. Obviously Alf didn't give enough detail to have a chance of working this out. I imagine, and it's an educated guess, that the £50 per test is extremely good value and only part offsets the cost to government. That's why I get grumpy with these people who choose to visit UK and then moan about having to pay for tests on return. Whilst I see it's not their fault there are restrictions it's only fair that they at least pay the variable element of the test cost on return, which is what I think they do. £50 is a nice round number. Nothing more. Enough to put some people off and not too expensive for those who can afford it (mostly companies). 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 22 minutes ago, Apple said: I suggested the need for certifications a couple of months ago. Rich people / cruisers/ travellers will want, after all that has happened/ the reassurance that those members of the "lower' parts of society - the precariat - are safe to be around and deliver their basic services as usual. (porters, cleaners, cooks etc). It will further widen our unequal society. That's the Arab's for yer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Rushen Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 52 minutes ago, snowman said: How will IOM people prove they've been vaccinated? If you access your medical record in Patient Access you can see your immunisation record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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