Gladys Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 12 hours ago, John Wright said: Maybe I’m feeling a little upset because I’ve just binge watched Ch4 Russel Davies It’s a Sin. Just finished the series myself, very powerful. If that doesn't get buried in awards, I'll be amazed. Superb performances all round but especially from the actors playing Ritchie, Roscoe, Jill/Bill and Val. AIDS is the forgotten pandemic and is still going decades later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 17 hours ago, Banker said: IOM must have got another batch of Oxford vaccine as my Mum got a phone call this morning to say she could have vaccination at airport on Friday morning. She hasn’t had any of the forms of consent etc but they said don’t worry they’re in the post. She only had initial letter Monday and when she called 111 they said she would get appointments in due course for late February. Looks like they may be getting a move on so not sure if they’ve been instructed to move more quickly or just extra doses arrived. That's good news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrighty Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Back to the original question - vaccine, who will have it? Not 72% of black people, and not 42% of Pakistani/Bangladeshi people. These figures based on a survey of 11700 British adults, and reported in the latest BMJ. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 8 minutes ago, wrighty said: Back to the original question - vaccine, who will have it? Not 72% of black people, and not 42% of Pakistani/Bangladeshi people. These figures based on a survey of 11700 British adults, and reported in the latest BMJ. This is another reason that messing with the dosing schedule is dangerous. There are a great many people who need to be convinced. So do it right, if you mess around too much and it doesn't work properly, people will never ever trust any kind of vaccine ever again. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxtoffee Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 1 hour ago, wrighty said: Back to the original question - vaccine, who will have it? Not 72% of black people, and not 42% of Pakistani/Bangladeshi people. These figures based on a survey of 11700 British adults, and reported in the latest BMJ. That’s insane - I know it was pushed through quickly but people need to trust that the specialists know what they’re doing. I will be having the vaccine as soon as it becomes available to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, wrighty said: Back to the original question - vaccine, who will have it? Not 72% of black people, and not 42% of Pakistani/Bangladeshi people. These figures based on a survey of 11700 British adults, and reported in the latest BMJ. @wrighty Discussed here, and reasons/solutions to getting the message across. Only 12minutes... Religion, culture, racism, mistrust, the wrong people trying to get the message across, i.e. too white. All that and more. Edited January 24, 2021 by quilp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 38 minutes ago, quilp said: @wrighty Discussed here, and reasons/solutions to getting the message across. Only 12minutes... Religion, culture, racism, mistrust, the wrong people trying to get the message across, i.e. too white. All that and more. And, crossing over into the decolonialisation of English thread, this is why decolonialisation and BLM and inclusion are important. If you have a diverse audience then to get your message across you have to use diverse and inclusive means. Doing that, having awareness and being inclusive, doesn’t weaken you as a person or English as an academic subject. It doesn’t attack the your integrity or your identity. Only if you’re a Farage, an alt right, a QAnon, a member of the klu klux clan, a supporter of white lives matter, because those identities are built on exclusion, and supposed superiority. And they offend and discriminate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annoymouse Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 2 hours ago, wrighty said: Back to the original question - vaccine, who will have it? Not 72% of black people, and not 42% of Pakistani/Bangladeshi people. These figures based on a survey of 11700 British adults, and reported in the latest BMJ. That’s good news for us though, it literally means there is more vaccine for those who do want it, I’d love to know what the acceptance rate will be over here, as a wild guess I think it will be at least 80%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 3 hours ago, TheTeapot said: This if you mess around too much and it doesn't work properly, people will never ever trust any kind of vaccine ever again. You mean some people might never...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 43 minutes ago, John Wright said: And, crossing over into the decolonialisation of English thread, this is why decolonialisation and BLM and inclusion are important. Hmm. Surely the threat of infection and spread crosses all races, religions and cultures? I don't see how decolonisation, BLM, etc actually matter in this crisis as the message is going out to all colours and creeds. It's not the virus that discriminates. It's up to minorities to come forward and include themselves in the vaccination programs. There's no barriers to access. Are you suggesting that a minority within the minorities will refuse to be included 'because whitey says so'? 43 minutes ago, John Wright said: If you have a diverse audience then to get your message across you have to use diverse and inclusive means. And I'd agree with that, but this is a national emergency, a matter of sensibilities should prevail and not dependent on who is giving out necessary advise and guidelines, which it seems to be. The 72% of blacks who have said they won't have the vaccination is verging on belligerence and quite frankly, insane and divisive by nature. Do they seek inclusion by their own volition or not? They're excluding and discriminating themselves without any social pressure being brought to bear to comply and this will only feed into the ideologies and biases of racists and far-right groups leading to who knows what if the crisis becomes a blame-game. There'll be trouble... 43 minutes ago, John Wright said: ... having awareness and being inclusive, doesn’t weaken you as a person... ...It doesn’t attack your integrity or your identity. This applies to every race of every colour, creed and culture. It isn't exclusive advice to White people. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, quilp said: Are you suggesting that a minority within the minorities will refuse to be included 'because whitey says so'? I'd say that's fairly likely. Certainly in the US it is, where memories of things like Tuskegee live long. It's also a bit like idiots such as Rog, who posted on here he'd gone private so he could pick his surgeon so no darkies could operate on him. There's a lot of it about, from all races, colours and creeds. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 It's an attitude than can only perpetuate the crisis. Fucking nuts... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 4 minutes ago, quilp said: It's an attitude than can only perpetuate the crisis. Fucking nuts... It was being discussed on tv news this morning. The belief that the vaccines are non halal or kosher compliant. Full of pig apparently....according to some.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 6 minutes ago, quilp said: It's an attitude than can only perpetuate the crisis. Fucking nuts... Imagine if Chris Whitty was a muslim of Somali descent with a big beard. Would there have been even less acceptance of what's going on and adherence to the rules if he was on the telly everyday? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 1 minute ago, Non-Believer said: It was being discussed on tv news this morning. The belief that the vaccines are non halal or kosher compliant. Full of pig apparently....according to some.... And as I said in an earlier post, it will play right into the hands of the far-right and other separatist groups. It could become as big a threat to social cohesion and inclusiveness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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