TerryFuchwit Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 4 minutes ago, Boris Johnson said: In Asia they don't wear masks to protect themselves, they wear them because its good manners not to infect others. That is what I am getting at. We should change our Me Me Me mindset and wear them for the same reason. ETA Especially on the island because the air quality is that bad here the gov wont release the figures, think about that. Bad air quality? You've clearly not travelled extensively if you think there is anything wrong with the air quality here. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Johnson Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 minute ago, Gladys said: Sorry, I thought you were interpreting "should" as an imperative. Again, the language is often open to (mis)interpretation. I thought should is an instruction legally , JW to comment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Just now, Boris Johnson said: I thought should is an instruction legally , JW to comment? It is usually "shall". The bit in the brackets demonstrates it is not mandatory. Should is usually followed by but or if. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryFuchwit Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 They clearly distinguish the obligatory face mask wearing with the word MUST. Should means preferable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Johnson Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, TerryFuchwit said: Bad air quality? You've clearly not travelled extensively if you think there is anything wrong with the air quality here. It does not need to look and smell like a big city in China to be very poor air, full of carcinogens, trust me I have seen the details and that was over 15 years ago, lots more knackered diesel vehicles on the roads now. I would hope that is why they are building a much bigger test centre, we need at lease emission tests yearly on vehicles. Edited January 31, 2021 by Boris Johnson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monasqueen Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 The air is much healthier here than it is in a lot of places across. There are times when I have driven along a motorway across when I can hardly breathe (or can only breathe hardly). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryFuchwit Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, Boris Johnson said: It does not need to look and smell like a big city in China to be very poor air, full of carcinogens, trust me I have seen the details and that was over 15 years ago, lots more knackered diesel vehicles on the roads now. I would hope that is why they are building a much bigger test centre, we need at lease emission tests yearly on vehicles. I'd have to disagree there in general. Sure, there are some offenders on the road. I reported one recently as it was churning out so much crap it was choking to follow it. I'm also sure if you examine the air quality on Peel Road it wouldn't be great. As with any busy road of slow moving traffic. But in the general the quality of air on the island is as you would expect it to be. Fine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Johnson Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Just now, monasqueen said: The air is much healthier here than it is in a lot of places across. There are times when I have driven along a motorway across when I can hardly breathe (or can only breathe hardly). The air here is okay when its windy ie most of the time, its when its still you would be shocked how bad it is in Douglas near the Quarterbridge roundabout and other busy junctions. How may city's do you know of that have their power station slap bang in the centre? That is not an ideal location. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted January 31, 2021 Author Share Posted January 31, 2021 I think Tony Blair could be right on travel pass & hope he’s right on no transmission once vaccinated A 'common travel pass' is 'going to be inevitable' for international travel Asked about travel restrictions in order to prevent the import of new COVID variants, Mr Blair suggests a "common travel pass" is "going to be inevitable". "The only way you are going to be able to get people travelling again is if they are able to prove either vaccination or testing status and do it by means that are verifiable," he adds. He says that "evidence is building and growing" that vaccination can prevent someone transmitting the virus, as well as protecting themselves from serious disease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 2 hours ago, TerryFuchwit said: They clearly distinguish the obligatory face mask wearing with the word MUST. Should means preferable. The meanings of words "should" be defined in the document. This is RFC2119: http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2119.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrighty Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, Two-lane said: The meanings of words "should" be defined in the document. This is RFC2119: http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2119.html GMC also differentiate ‘must’ and ‘should’ - para 5 on page 7 (of the pdf) if interested. https://www.gmc-uk.org/-/media/documents/good-medical-practice---english-20200128_pdf-51527435.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monasqueen Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 To help out even further, schools could be asked to include the Use of English in their curriculum, if they don't already. Trouble is, a lot of the teachers would need teaching first. (I have known a few teachers whose grammar and spelling are poor, and they would suggest that they do not need such skills for teaching, say, maths). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 59 minutes ago, Two-lane said: The meanings of words "should" be defined in the document. This is RFC2119: http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2119.html Only a recommendation then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 22 minutes ago, Gladys said: Only a recommendation then? Yes, I was quoting from RFC2119: "Authors who follow these guidelines should incorporate this phrase near the beginning of their document". As far as I can recall, all the Request For Tender/Proposals I saw contained the same kind of text - it was just cut-and-paste from other documents anyway. I wonder what the prom. contract says: "Works SHALL be completed within 12 months of contract signing". Maybe not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 8 hours ago, monasqueen said: Some people don't bother to read beyond the first part of the recommendations: "If you exercise outdoors, a face covering should be worn" "Should" in this context is hortative - strongly encouraging, but not compulsory. If they intended it to be compulsory (and they didn't), they would have used "must" or "shall". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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