Nom de plume Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 6 minutes ago, Cambon said: We are not. We are reserving second doses for those whom have had the first, just as Scotland are doing. It means that should there be a supply issue, we don't have to mothball the vaccination project. There isn’t a supply issue, neither will there be. It is proving extremely effective to administer a first dose to all as soon as possible. Ashford would never admit it a bit like the need for vaccinating the SPCo. crews. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 10 minutes ago, Cambon said: We are not. We are reserving second doses for those whom have had the first, just as Scotland are doing. It means that should there be a supply issue, we don't have to mothball the vaccination project. I get that. But where is this supply issue. He said it was sorted the other day and it seems the UK has so much (of which we have a share) they need to start giving is away. Hope its not my vial! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Nom de plume said: There isn’t a supply issue, neither will there be. It is proving extremely effective to administer a first dose to all as soon as possible. Ashford would never admit it a bit like the need for vaccinating the SPCo. crews. In England, yes, where they have 1.5 million active cases and 10,000 new cases a day. They are jabbing as many as possible in the hopes that it will work. It is a fingers crossed situation. We don't have that issue and can afford the time to vaccinate properly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 Just now, Cambon said: In England, yes, where they have 1.5 million active cases and 10,000 new cases a day. They are jabbing as many as possible in the hopes that it will work. It is a fingers crossed situation. We don't have that issue and can afford the time to vaccinate properly. Hang on. You just said we were saving them in case there is a supply issue. There isn't and isn't likely to be. Not sure what you are saying, you seem to be contradicting yourself. If we have plenty, we can vaccinate properly and quickly can't we? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, Happier diner said: I get that. But where is this supply issue. He said it was sorted the other day and it seems the UK has so much (of which we have a share) they need to start giving is away. Hope its not my vial! According to Matt Hancock, the uk has had delivery problems from Pfizer, which caused problems last weekend. If the UK receive less, we receive less. However, I did not say there is a supply issue. I simply said we can continue to vaccinate if there is a supply issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, Cambon said: In England, yes, where they have 1.5 million active cases and 10,000 new cases a day. They are jabbing as many as possible in the hopes that it will work. It is a fingers crossed situation. We don't have that issue and can afford the time to vaccinate properly. It's no longer a fingers crossed situation. Testing has proven that it works and in some cases efficacy is improved because of the delay. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 Just now, Andy Onchan said: It's no longer a fingers crossed situation. Testing has proven that it works and in some cases efficacy is improved because of the delay. According to uk media. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 Just now, Cambon said: According to uk media. No. According to the data. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 15 minutes ago, Nom de plume said: There isn’t a supply issue, neither will there be. It is proving extremely effective to administer a first dose to all as soon as possible. Ashford would never admit it a bit like the need for vaccinating the SPCo. crews. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9290041/Matt-Hancock-claims-Britains-Covid-vaccine-roll-quiet-week-supply-issues.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 5 minutes ago, Happier diner said: No. According to the data. Manipulated data. Efficacy for single shot of Pfizer is 52%. Scientists who later reviewed pfizers data decided if they removed certain elements regarding placebos they could make the efficacy read 76%. If this were true, there would be no need for a second jab, as 76% is very high. England are literally winging it. It would not surprise me if they had to start all over again later in the year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Cambon said: According to uk media. No, the research was led by PHE & PHS. As far as I can see it was first released to the BBC. All other media followed. ETA: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/first-real-world-uk-data-shows-pfizer-biontech-vaccine-provides-high-levels-of-protection-from-the-first-dose https://publichealthscotland.scot/news/2021/february/vaccine-linked-to-reduction-in-risk-of-covid-19-admissions-to-hospitals/ Plus numerous universities: https://www.ed.ac.uk/news/2021/scottish-vaccine-roll-out-working-data-suggests Edited February 23, 2021 by Andy Onchan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 27 minutes ago, Cambon said: Manipulated data. Efficacy for single shot of Pfizer is 52%. Scientists who later reviewed pfizers data decided if they removed certain elements regarding placebos they could make the efficacy read 76%. If this were true, there would be no need for a second jab, as 76% is very high. England are literally winging it. It would not surprise me if they had to start all over again later in the year. Conspiracy? Public Health England Report? Maybe but gotta say its unlikely to be a made up job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 58 minutes ago, Cambon said: It would not surprise me if they had to start all over again later in the year. We will probably all have to do that regardless of vaccination schedules to deal with any new variants, a bit like the flu vaccine 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Happier diner Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, Banker said: Ashie changing Oxford jabs time interval to finally follow the science and everyone else! Yey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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