Lagman Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 Vaccine- who will have it? Aparrently not the Pfizer Ceo - https://edition.cnn.com/videos/health/2020/12/14/albert-bourla-pfizer-ceo-vaccine-rollout-covid-newday-vpx.cnn https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/14/pfizers-ceo-hasnt-gotten-his-covid-vaccine-yet-saying-he-doesnt-want-to-cut-in-line.html The guy talking about vaccine hesitancy, hesitates taking vaccine? - https://www.cnbc.com/video/2020/12/14/pfizer-ceo-albert-bourla-on-vaccine-hesitancy-trust-science.html https://thejewishvoice.com/2020/11/the-sephardic-jew-that-will-save-the-world-the-story-of-pfizer-ceo-albert-bourla/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lagman Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 On 12/13/2020 at 10:37 AM, Banker said: Jersey starting vaccinations today, Guernsey early coming week. not sure why our supply is so far behind the others, another Ashie & Howie muck up? I'm ok with this, we have a little grace period/time with a low number of cases - I want to see if there are anymore coincidental deaths or bells palsy developments - https://www.health.com/condition/infectious-diseases/coronavirus/covid-vaccine-bells-palsy https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-pfizer-health-concerns/fact-check-clarifying-claims-around-pfizer-vaccine-deaths-and-side-effects-idUSKBN28K2R6 Or alergic reactions - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55244122 https://www.fda.gov/media/143557/download https://www.fda.gov/media/144245/download https://www.fda.gov/media/144246/download Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lagman Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 On 12/13/2020 at 3:51 PM, Banker said: Guernsey same position as us , have the vaccine ready to go , proper borders plan published which includes families allowed to visit now subject to quarantine regulations 😀 Apparently there's a new strain in the UK now anyway - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55308211 https://news.sky.com/story/new-variant-of-coronavirus-identified-in-uk-health-secretary-says-12161416 https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-pfizer-oxford-vaccine-london-covid-tiers-cases/ Taking the current vaccine may turn out to be worthless anyway despite - https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/no-evidence-new-variant-coronavirus-19458051 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted December 15, 2020 Author Share Posted December 15, 2020 16 minutes ago, Lagman said: Apparently there's a new strain in the UK now anyway - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55308211 https://news.sky.com/story/new-variant-of-coronavirus-identified-in-uk-health-secretary-says-12161416 https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-pfizer-oxford-vaccine-london-covid-tiers-cases/ Taking the current vaccine may turn out to be worthless anyway despite - https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/no-evidence-new-variant-coronavirus-19458051 Well if you listened to Director of health on yesterday news conference the new strain is expected and the vaccine will still work so stop panicking!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Lagman said: Vaccine- who will have it? Aparrently not the Pfizer Ceo - https://edition.cnn.com/videos/health/2020/12/14/albert-bourla-pfizer-ceo-vaccine-rollout-covid-newday-vpx.cnn Another classic case of people not even bothering to read or listen to their own links. He says he hasn't received it yet because he doesn't yet qualify and it would be unethical to jump the queue, but that he would and he might take it in advance if it was thought to reassure people. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lagman Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 10 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: Another classic case of people not even bothering to read or listen to their own links. He says he hasn't received it yet because he doesn't yet qualify and it would be unethical to jump the queue, but that he would and he might take it in advance if it was thought to reassure people. I know what he said. Let's see if he actually does take it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 6 minutes ago, Lagman said: I know what he said. Let's see if he actually does take it. If he does take it, what would it change? Anyone who was fine with the vaccine anyway won't be swayed, conspiracy nuts will say he was injected with saline. Pointless. As for your other links, you would expect 4 people in ~30,000 to develop Bell's Palsy with or without a vaccine. It's also not a surprise that people so allergic to their surroundings that they must carry an epi-pen have had an allergic reaction. It's also not surprising that some people died after having the vaccine (eventually, everyone who has the vaccine will die.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmanxpilot Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 On 12/13/2020 at 11:19 AM, Banker said: No just pointing out both Channel Islands have their supply & starting vaccinations, why are we so far behind? The boxes that leave the production line have five trays of 195 vials, each vial containing 5 doses, so that's 4875 doses per box. Each box is sealed and surrounded by dry ice to ensure the requisite temperature. If (as reported) splitting the box into individual trays for distribution is a massive challenge, it's perhaps unsurprising we haven't had any yet. Maybe the CI feel more confident in being able to administer 4875 doses quickly? Perhaps IOMG are have their fingers and toes crossed that the Oxford/AZ vaccine is given the EUA within the coming days to make things a lot easier (?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lagman Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 43 minutes ago, HeliX said: conspiracy nuts I am a little concerned with them being exempt from liability for a rushed new (RNA) type of vaccine that the UK is being guinea pigs for, yes. Does anyone know if any of the following comment is true? - "What Pfizer has NOT provided: The ingredients, The results data, An independently peer-reviewed study! To save you reading the 120-page study design, here's the summary: · The vaccine has NOT been tested on children, pregnant women, people taking medications and individuals with comorbidities · Pfizer doesn’t plan to release the results data for independent scrutiny for another 2 years · Pfizer did not assess vaccine reactions in all 43,000 participants (just a random subset of 8000) · Pfizer only reported severe reactions that occurred in more than 2% (860 people). In other words, if 800 people suffered a severe immune reaction, they did not have to report it because it occurred in less than 2%!! · Pfizer will not submit the study for peer-review until they’ve completed their analysis of safety data. – the vaccine is approved and they have not finished analysing the data! The government have indemnified them they have no liability for injury or death." Would like to know. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Down Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Lagman said: I know what he said. Let's see if he actually does take it. So now you are second guessing what he'll do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lagman Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 36 minutes ago, Neil Down said: So now you are second guessing what he'll do? Pretty much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcousticallyChallenged Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Lagman said: I am a little concerned with them being exempt from liability for a rushed new (RNA) type of vaccine that the UK is being guinea pigs for, yes. Does anyone know if any of the following comment is true? - "What Pfizer has NOT provided: The ingredients, The results data, An independently peer-reviewed study! To save you reading the 120-page study design, here's the summary: · The vaccine has NOT been tested on children, pregnant women, people taking medications and individuals with comorbidities · Pfizer doesn’t plan to release the results data for independent scrutiny for another 2 years · Pfizer did not assess vaccine reactions in all 43,000 participants (just a random subset of 8000) · Pfizer only reported severe reactions that occurred in more than 2% (860 people). In other words, if 800 people suffered a severe immune reaction, they did not have to report it because it occurred in less than 2%!! · Pfizer will not submit the study for peer-review until they’ve completed their analysis of safety data. – the vaccine is approved and they have not finished analysing the data! The government have indemnified them they have no liability for injury or death." Would like to know. Ingredients list is here for you: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/regulatory-approval-of-pfizer-biontech-vaccine-for-covid-19/information-for-uk-recipients-on-pfizerbiontech-covid-19-vaccine#ingredients RNA vaccines have been tested, we're quite lucky in that COVID has really been a pandemic we've had the technology for. Especially with the outbreak of SARS meaning that coronaviruses have kept attention. Pfizer don't do the analysis for approval. The regulators receive that data, usually it'd be packaged and sent off for review and approval. This time, given the time pressure, the regulators have had a real-time feed into all the data as and when it has been appearing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted December 15, 2020 Author Share Posted December 15, 2020 Usual shambles from DHSC! Doesn’t bode well for vaccine roll out when we can’t even let surgeons know their operations are cancelled!!! https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/surgeons-not-informed-of-halt-on-non-urgent-operations/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piebaps Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 Well every now and then something goes wrong. They can't do everything as perfectly as our majestic border closure. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apple Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 4 hours ago, Banker said: Usual shambles from DHSC! Doesn’t bode well for vaccine roll out when we can’t even let surgeons know their operations are cancelled!!! Mr Ashford sounded furious on the radio. Don't blame him really. And I know he is serious about poor communication systems with and from clinical staff asI have heard his frustrations about this before. Probably best not to go down the route though of the previous CEO and Hospital Manager ! As for referring to the Leadership team members then forget it - I have been told there is a small group of managers there who want to control everything, and in their way. I don't think even Mr Ashford can shift them now. I am glad though that a Consultant has blown that particular whistle - time more did I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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