Vaccine- who will have it?

[thommo2010]

I thought the vaccine was the way out of this but no even when you're vaccinated it's down to regularly testing yourself. 

[Non-Believer]

55 minutes ago, thommo2010 said:

I thought the vaccine was the way out of this but no even when you're vaccinated it's down to regularly testing yourself. 

The vaccine doesn't stop you catching and carrying it. It stops you dying from it and greatly reduces your transmitting it to someone else.

This is going to be with us for a long time into the future with its ability to mutate and produce new variants, some of which will be of concern in respect of their effects and their characteristics of immunity to our current vaccines.

Ongoing testing is going to be the only way of keeping on top of it.

[Banker]

14 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

The vaccine doesn't stop you catching and carrying it. It stops you dying from it and greatly reduces your transmitting it to someone else.

This is going to be with us for a long time into the future with its ability to mutate and produce new variants, some of which will be of concern in respect of their effects and their characteristics of immunity to our current vaccines.

Ongoing testing is going to be the only way of keeping on top of it.

Thought Howard & co don't believe in regular testing??

[Non-Believer]

19 minutes ago, Banker said:

Thought Howard & co don't believe in regular testing??

That may well have to change, Hancock would now appear to be suggesting it?

Bearing in mind that all these good people (patently including yourself 😁 ) who are hankering to get away to foreign climes on holibobs are potentially going to be exposing themselves to whatever local variants exist at these locations, possibly contracting it and then bringing it back, maybe asymptomatically.

At which point it's got the potential to combine with whatever local strain might still be knocking around here and mutate further. Into what?

It's classic virus spreading stuff; viruses don't travel, people do. The vaccine is/was never the great be-all and end-all cure.

Edited April 5, 2021 by Non-Believer
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[thommo2010]

49 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

The vaccine doesn't stop you catching and carrying it. It stops you dying from it and greatly reduces your transmitting it to someone else.

This is going to be with us for a long time into the future with its ability to mutate and produce new variants, some of which will be of concern in respect of their effects and their characteristics of immunity to our current vaccines.

Ongoing testing is going to be the only way of keeping on top of it.

So surely once the vulnerable/elderly/at risk groups are vaccinated then what's the need for regular testing? Surely it then becomes like the flu and you get your jab yearly. 

[John Wright]

2 minutes ago, thommo2010 said:

So surely once the vulnerable/elderly/at risk groups are vaccinated then what's the need for regular testing? Surely it then becomes like the flu and you get your jab yearly. 

The problem is it’ll be end 21 or mid 22 before the under 16’s are vaccinated. The current outbreak has affected, mainly, the unvaccinated under 60’s, including school students.

[Non-Believer]

2 minutes ago, thommo2010 said:

So surely once the vulnerable/elderly/at risk groups are vaccinated then what's the need for regular testing? Surely it then becomes like the flu and you get your jab yearly. 

Flus mutate regularly and the vaccines need to be modified. Covid is just the same but unless you test you don't know what mutations you're dealing with and what modifications are needed.

[John Wright]

22 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

That may well have to change, Hancock would now appear to be suggesting it?

Bearing in mind that all these good people (patently including yourself 😁 ) who are hankering to get away to foreign climes on holibobs are potentially going to be exposing themselves to whatever local variants exist at these locations, possibly contracting it and then bringing it back, maybe asymptomatically.

At which point it's got the potential to combine with whatever local strain might still be knocking around here and mutate further. Into what?

It's classic virus spreading stuff; viruses don't travel, people do. The vaccine is/was never the great be-all and end-all cure.

1. They don’t combine. They don’t mate. They reproduce solo ( using humans ).

2. That’s why border restrictions, traffic lights, green corridors, testing of arrivals, will continue.

[Non-Believer]

3 minutes ago, John Wright said:

1. They don’t combine. They don’t mate. They reproduce solo ( using humans )

That's what I was getting at John, just not very well worded 

[Apple]

Hancock saying that we will reclaim lost freedoms (as per Twitter on previous page) is not correct in my view.

7 minutes ago, John Wright said:

2. That’s why border restrictions, traffic lights, green corridors, testing of arrivals, will continue.

They will and some of those freedoms Hancock refers to will be accompanied by certain and strict conditions. 

 

[thommo2010]

15 minutes ago, John Wright said:

The problem is it’ll be end 21 or mid 22 before the under 16’s are vaccinated. The current outbreak has affected, mainly, the unvaccinated under 60’s, including school students.

But the current outbreak hasn't affected the young. 

[John Wright]

2 minutes ago, thommo2010 said:

But the current outbreak hasn't affected the young. 

Oh but it has. Approx one 1/5-1/4 were school students. That appears to have been the main vector of transmission from household to household.

[finlo]

4 minutes ago, John Wright said:

Oh but it has. Approx one 1/5-1/4 were school students. That appears to have been the main vector of transmission from household to household.

I suspect he meant it didn't make them ill.

[Banker]

1 minute ago, John Wright said:

Oh but it has. Approx one 1/5-1/4 were school students. That appears to have been the main vector of transmission from household to household.

But as far as we are aware none of the children became very ill & none needed hospitalization. The kids did spread it to some of parents in 50s who became ill, I know 2 who were in hospital, both had underlying health issues and unvaccinated.

Once the 9 priority groups vaccinated we need to get the borders reopened with testing on arrival.

[GD4ELI]

1 minute ago, finlo said:

I suspect he meant it didn't make them ill.

It is in the US, very worrying.