Vaccine- who will have it?

[Non-Believer]

[The Chief]

6 hours ago, Apple said:

Please see this.

https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-362354/v1

AZ being linked to heparin type thrombocytopenia.

You know the contraceptive pill and certain pain killers cause a higher rate of blood clots than the AZ vaccine.

The problem is that it was not spotted in the trials or listed in the possible side effects and that has the medics twitchy. 

Edited April 7, 2021 by The Chief

[madmanxpilot]

A bit perspective about the risk of blood clots. On the IOM the annual murder rate has averaged about 2 per 100,00 people over last ten years. The apparent risk of dying from a blood clot after the AZ jab is 2 per 500,000 people. You are therefore 5 times more likely to be murdered on the IOM in any one year than you are to die from an AZ jab. I think I'll take my chances!

[ellanvannin2010]

https://news.sky.com/story/eu-regulator-reviewing-possible-links-between-johnson-johnson-jab-and-blood-clots-12270444

A second vaccine may be showing a similar side effect.

 

 

[monasqueen]

You still stand a lot more chance of dying from some sort of normal life event.

“Something like 30 or 40 people drown in the bath every year, something like 1,000 people die falling down the stairs, something like 200 die from choking on their breakfast, and that’s many, many more deaths than we get from these vaccines so actually taking the vaccine is actually one of the safer things you do in the day, it’s definitely safer than cycling or driving to work."

[Banker]

4 minutes ago, monasqueen said:

You still stand a lot more chance of dying from some sort of normal life event.

“Something like 30 or 40 people drown in the bath every year, something like 1,000 people die falling down the stairs, something like 200 die from choking on their breakfast, and that’s many, many more deaths than we get from these vaccines so actually taking the vaccine is actually one of the safer things you do in the day, it’s definitely safer than cycling or driving to work."

No doubt the EU will ban it plus any others that have any side effects while wondering why the cases &?deaths continue to rise!

[ellanvannin2010]

1 minute ago, Banker said:

No doubt the EU will ban it plus any others that have any side effects while wondering why the cases &?deaths continue to rise!

Of course they would never do this to deflect criticism of the slow pace of their vaccine rollout.

[Banker]

Extract from an article showing minimal risk from AZ vaccine

The EMA puts the risk of blood clots as one case in every 100,000 people vaccinated, while the British authorities estimate one in 250,000, and vary this rate according to age. On the basis of this data, the risk of suffering a blood clot after having the vaccine is:

20-29 years: Risk of 2 in 100,000

30-39 years: Risk of 1.5 in 100,000

40-49 years: Risk of 1 in 100,000

50-59 years: Risk of 0.8 in 100,000

60-69 years: Risk of 0.5 in 100,000

Meanwhile, according to estimates by Imperial College, one in every 166 people with Covid-19 die, a rate of 0.6% – although the lethality of the virus is, of course, very different according to age:

20-29 years: Risk of 30 in 100,000

30-39 years: Risk of 75 in 100,000

40-49 years: Risk of 200 in 100,000

50-59 years: Risk of 450 in 100,000

60-69 years: Risk of 1,000 in 100,000

+90 years: Risk of 15,000 in 100,000 (1 in 6)

The conclusions based on this data are that the risk of dying from Covid-19 are much higher than that of suffering a rare blood clot after receiving the vaccine. For those aged 60 to 69, the risk is 2,000 times greater. The vaccine also reduces the risk by a factor of 10 for someone who is aged 25 years old.

 

[quilp]

Why aren't you out enjoying the sun Banker? Have you had your vitamin D checked recently? 

[Banker]

4 minutes ago, quilp said:

Why aren't you out enjoying the sun Banker? Have you had your vitamin D checked recently? 

Watching the football after playing golf!! Are you in B& Q again for that essential item 😂

[Newbie]

3 hours ago, Banker said:

The vaccine also reduces the risk by a factor of 10 for someone who is aged 25 years old.

That is assuming that everyone who is unvaccinated does go on to catch Covid, and that no-one who is vaccinated does. Neither of those things is likely to be true. Nonetheless the risk from the vaccine is tiny, but it is quite hard to make direct comparisons between the relative risks.

[wrighty]

16 hours ago, Newbie said:

That is assuming that everyone who is unvaccinated does go on to catch Covid, and that no-one who is vaccinated does. Neither of those things is likely to be true. Nonetheless the risk from the vaccine is tiny, but it is quite hard to make direct comparisons between the relative risks.

Exactly. You have to multiply the risk of dying from covid by the risk of getting covid. The latter depends on the overall prevalence, which in the UK right now is relatively low. This is why they introduced the guidance for youngsters to not have the AZ vaccine, but this guidance could change if overall circulating levels of virus were to rise again. 

[madmanxpilot]

Does anybody know how how long it is taking to have the fact that you've been vaccinated entered into your medical records?

Also, is it the staff at the vaccination centre who do it, or someone else?

 

[John Wright]

25 minutes ago, madmanxpilot said:

Does anybody know how how long it is taking to have the fact that you've been vaccinated entered into your medical records?

Also, is it the staff at the vaccination centre who do it, or someone else?

 

It’s the GP practice, according to my GP. Mine appeared on both my NHS App and my patient access app within 48 hours. I just wish it gave the make and batch number on the entry so I don’t have to cart around the card.

The whole NHS IT system not talking or linking up thing is a pain. I get a raft of tests every 8 weeks. Some results go to my GP, and I have to share those with Clatterbridge/Liverpool Royal. Some go to Nobles, I never see those, I assume they’ll flag up anomalies to my GP,  and the remainder go to Clatterbridge. I chase my nurse specialist for the results after 4 weeks, they now have agreed to e-mail them, I then print and post to my GP. But they don’t ever appear on my e-record.

Its a small thing. But I do travel. Having access if anything occurred whilst abroad would be reassuring. What I’ve had, relapse to acute to death is probably less than a month. I don’t stress about it. Pointless. But it’s such a simple thing.

[madmanxpilot]

17 minutes ago, John Wright said:

It’s the GP practice, according to my GP. Mine appeared on both my NHS App and my patient access app within 48 hours. I just wish it gave the make and batch number on the entry so I don’t have to cart around the card.

The whole NHS IT system not talking or linking up thing is a pain. I get a raft of tests every 8 weeks. Some results go to my GP, and I have to share those with Clatterbridge/Liverpool Royal. Some go to Nobles, I never see those, I assume they’ll flag up anomalies to my GP,  and the remainder go to Clatterbridge. I chase my nurse specialist for the results after 4 weeks, they now have agreed to e-mail them, I then print and post to my GP. But they don’t ever appear on my e-record.

Its a small thing. But I do travel. Having access if anything occurred whilst abroad would be reassuring. What I’ve had, relapse to acute to death is probably less than a month. I don’t stress about it. Pointless. But it’s such a simple thing.

Thanks. Me & the Mrs were jabbed a couple of weeks ago and there is nothing on the NHS app or patient access (which gets it's feed from the NHS info anyway I believe), hence the question. We are with Hailwood surgery.

Some companies are stipulating you must show you are two weeks post second jab before they will let you travel with them. The fact that it's taking this long to appear in our records has the potential to cause problems.

Edited to say that if you've been vaccinated by the NHS, it will of course be with only an approved vaccine. The travel companies are using the phrase '....with an approved vaccine' so there is no requirement to show what marque you were given I wouldn't have thought, just that it was administered by the NHS.

 

Edited April 11, 2021 by madmanxpilot