slinkydevil Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 3 hours ago, TheTeapot said: Vaccinations now due to start Jan 4th according to the ITV guy on twitter. Cue people kicking off. Ashford just put the first tray through the shredder by 'accident' and has had to order some more from Amazon. Won't be here til 4th Jan along with socks for Auntie Jean (she's not going to be happy). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apple Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 According to newspaper today some people are advocating people with cancer / terminal illness get vaccinated sooner to give them whatever time they have with family. Also reported that as five doses have to come out of the same vial great care has to be taken for the needle to be inserted into the seal at 5 different locations to prevent the risk of infection / contamination. Best then to get the first dose out of the vial. Bet that's what the politicians all get.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slinkydevil Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 11 minutes ago, Apple said: Also reported that as five doses have to come out of the same vial great care has to be taken for the needle to be inserted into the seal at 5 different locations to prevent the risk of infection / contamination. Eh? How do you contaminate with different needles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 11 minutes ago, Apple said: Also reported that as five doses have to come out of the same vial great care has to be taken for the needle to be inserted into the seal at 5 different locations to prevent the risk of infection / contamination. Best then to get the first dose out of the vial. It's normal practice not to use the same needle hole more than once on a bottle like that. There's more risk of contamination or infection if one of the med staff forgets to change their gloves or wipe the vial between recipients. And you know that hypodermics are single use, don't you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, Banker said: Yes it’s reported here https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/no-covid-vaccines-until-new-year/ FFS delayed to read some paperwork and what will he do if it’s wrong delay it by another month, we’re already behind schedule There is no reason why this couldn't have been sorted out over this weekend IMO. This delay is utterly repreprehensible - demonstrating the total ineptitude and burdensome nature of our government and its administration - even to the extent of protecting the holiday time for its workers even in an emergency. The AG's officers causing this delay put Scrooge to shame and deserve to choke on their Christmas Foie gras. There are potentially numerous human and economic consequences to any such unnecessary delays, particularly now with the emergence of this latest far more virulent form of the disease which this weekend has forced numerous countries to close their borders to the UK. It is shameful and disgusting. . Edited December 21, 2020 by Albert Tatlock 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 As long as we maintain zero community spread, a longer period to actual mass roll-out time could work in our favour in a small way. By the 4th January we'll have a more informed record of its safety as used in certain groups of people, like those with co-morbidities or anaphylactoid tendencies. By then, a lot of recipients will have had their booster so the picture may be somewhat clearer on its efficacy in providing immunity and incidental bad reactions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoTail Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 42 minutes ago, quilp said: It's normal practice not to use the same needle hole more than once on a bottle like that. There's more risk of contamination or infection if one of the med staff forgets to change their gloves or wipe the vial between recipients. And you know that hypodermics are single use, don't you? Its not that long ago (1960) that in school we all lined up for the injection. After the first 20 odd they changed the needle because it was getting blunt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, NoTail said: Its not that long ago (1960) that in school we all lined up for the injection. After the first 20 odd they changed the needle because it was getting blunt. Well into the 70's too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2112 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 7 hours ago, jaymann said: Judging by how DHSC tried to stitch @rachomics up for liability like they did, I can only assume AGs main issue here too is around the Gov being liable for administering them is issues come up down the line. Correct, and you raise a point. However, I don’t think at this time we should be arguing the toss, navel gazing, or pretending to sit on high as some kind of moral guardians, as to what’s right for the island. After all, our politicos will happily stiff its population at the first sniff of making any money - TT road closures - endless parade laps etc. Our quite pathetic politicos should have sat in a Extraordinary sitting of Tynpotwald on Saturday, ruminated, debated and talked its usual bollocks until it had voted whatever rules, regulations and legislation. Quite frankly I don’t believe this administration is serious in protecting its population, or even wanting to vaccinate. It will be the kicking and screaming population that will have the final word. A final point - would the new Manx Care body have started vaccinations any sooner, or are we just stymied by a bureaucratic and red tape IOMG? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apple Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, 2112 said: would the new Manx Care body have started vaccinations any sooner, or are we just stymied by a bureaucratic and red tape IOMG? Very good question. The DHSC (hence the Government) will be responsible for strategic decisions and Manx Care for operational decisions. In a crisis like this in future there could be communication delays, more unnecessary red tape, legal hurdles, back covering than we currently get. I would imagine vaccination of the population would be a strategic decision but carried out by Manx Care with the DHSC's oversight and permission. So who would be accountable if it did not go to plan? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 Having known that a vaccine is on the horizon for some time, the words piss up and brewery are riding swiftly towards this debate AGAIN !! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hmmmm Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 7 hours ago, Albert Tatlock said: There is no reason why this couldn't have been sorted out over this weekend IMO. This delay is utterly repreprehensible - demonstrating the total ineptitude and burdensome nature of our government and its administration - even to the extent of protecting the holiday time for its workers even in an emergency. The AG's officers causing this delay put Scrooge to shame and deserve to choke on their Christmas Foie gras. There are potentially numerous human and economic consequences to any such unnecessary delays, particularly now with the emergence of this latest far more virulent form of the disease which this weekend has forced numerous countries to close their borders to the UK. It is shameful and disgusting. . There is a whiff of complacency setting in with Howie and his Govt. The approaching holiday season seems to instigate the proposal 'Ah well it's xmas, lets pick up this problem in the New Year'. Stating no media pressers after last Thursday's conference until the New Year was ridiculous given what is occurring in the UK. I do hope they reconsider their approach to the vaccine rollout, but I suspect most will be doing their last minute shopping. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duck of Atholl Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 A few hundred people could have been vaccinated during this delay period. It's inexcusable. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 16 minutes ago, Hmmmm said: There is a whiff of complacency setting in with Howie and his Govt. The approaching holiday season seems to instigate the proposal 'Ah well it's xmas, lets pick up this problem in the New Year'. Stating no media pressers after last Thursday's conference until the New Year was ridiculous given what is occurring in the UK. I do hope they reconsider their approach to the vaccine rollout, but I suspect most will be doing their last minute shopping. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Rexel-Momentum-Shredder-Shreds-2104570/dp/B07HZ11GS7/ref=mp_s_a_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=shredder&qid=1608534911&sprefix=shredder&sr=8-5 Suggestions 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apple Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 10 hours ago, Apple said: According to newspaper today some people are advocating people with cancer / terminal illness get vaccinated sooner to give them whatever time they have with family. Sorry for commenting on own post, but the more I think this may deserve some merit. Would anyone else give up their vaccination so someone can have more time with their families ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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