Roger Mexico Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 28 minutes ago, The Dog's Dangly Bits said: What "progress" should "Ashie" be updating? There shouldn't be any progress given it's a stupid idea. The UK government have even stated the NHS card is worth Jack Shit as far as they are concerned. Yes but it's not really their decision, it's what airlines and entry officials[1] will accept. In the case there the problem is clearly that easyJet want to see a particular format of document. So it will an advantage for Guernsey (and us) to produce something in a format the airline will accept. As the vaccination information is accessible by the UK NHS there shouldn't be much of a problem. It should be the sort of thing that can be solved by direct contact between fairly low-level, slightly techie staff in the various governments contact each other to thrash out the details. Of course it won't be here, because six extra levels of managers will insist on getting involved to show how important they are and it will take forever and not work. [1] In these circumstances airlines tend to act as gatekeepers for arrival countries, so if they let you on you'll probably be OK. Because they don't want to have to take you straight back on the return flight, so if anything they'll be stricter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted June 4, 2021 Author Share Posted June 4, 2021 3 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: Yes but it's not really their decision, it's what airlines and entry officials[1] will accept. In the case there the problem is clearly that easyJet want to see a particular format of document. So it will an advantage for Guernsey (and us) to produce something in a format the airline will accept. As the vaccination information is accessible by the UK NHS there shouldn't be much of a problem. It should be the sort of thing that can be solved by direct contact between fairly low-level, slightly techie staff in the various governments contact each other to thrash out the details. Of course it won't be here, because six extra levels of managers will insist on getting involved to show how important they are and it will take forever and not work. [1] In these circumstances airlines tend to act as gatekeepers for arrival countries, so if they let you on you'll probably be OK. Because they don't want to have to take you straight back on the return flight, so if anything they'll be stricter. Exactly right, it’s not a question of whether they are a stupid idea or we should refuse to be dictated to but they will become a necessity for anyone wanting to travel for several years. No vaccinations passport either no boarding or pay for an expensive PCR test both ways. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 11 minutes ago, Banker said: No vaccinations passport either no boarding or pay for an expensive PCR test both ways. We probably should get away from the idea of 'a' vaccination passport that will be universally acceptable. I just can't see that happening any time soon - things are too fluid, too contentious and too many countries will use them for political ends. But we should be doing our best to become part of whatever procedures and protocols the UK manages to get to work. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 9 hours ago, Banker said: Exactly right, it’s not a question of whether they are a stupid idea or we should refuse to be dictated to but they will become a necessity for anyone wanting to travel for several years. No vaccinations passport either no boarding or pay for an expensive PCR test both ways. 9 hours ago, Roger Mexico said: We probably should get away from the idea of 'a' vaccination passport that will be universally acceptable. I just can't see that happening any time soon - things are too fluid, too contentious and too many countries will use them for political ends. But we should be doing our best to become part of whatever procedures and protocols the UK manages to get to work. It’s my understanding that the data from which the passport is generated on the NHS App is separate from the GP vaccination record, which also records the fact of vaccination. Unfortunately IOM isn’t using that separate data base, so our info isn’t currently able to upload to the passport section.. It’s a typical mess of different systems not talking to one another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted June 5, 2021 Author Share Posted June 5, 2021 If anyone has s planning to go to France, you can now enter from 9th as long as you can show fully vaccinated and negative antigen test https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/04/france-to-allow-uk-tourists-to-enter-if-fully-vaccinated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, Banker said: If anyone has s planning to go to France, you can now enter from 9th as long as you can show fully vaccinated and negative antigen test. And quarantine on your return... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted June 5, 2021 Author Share Posted June 5, 2021 7 minutes ago, P.K. said: And quarantine on your return... Yes at present but post was to show that France are allowing entry if fully vaccinated which would show on NHS app if it worked here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonS Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 Not sure if this has been mentioned before. Is the NHS app different from the patient access as the latter shows my vaccination status. Would this be an acceptable record for travel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 21 minutes ago, DragonS said: Not sure if this has been mentioned before. Is the NHS app different from the patient access as the latter shows my vaccination status. Would this be an acceptable record for travel? Patient Access gets most of its data from the NHS App. The vaccinations will show in the vaccination record section of both. However, the passport is in a separate section on the NHS App, to which IOM vaccinations currently don’t get uplifted. To answer your second question, not internationally. No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted June 6, 2021 Author Share Posted June 6, 2021 Obviously too late for Iom to meet JCVI recommendation on second doses for over 50s as Ashford says too difficult but U.K. did 1.7m easy enough Overall, more than 1.7 million people have been sent texts by the NHS that invite them to reschedule their appointment. Dr Emily Lawson, the NHS lead for the COVID-19 vaccination programme, said: "The vaccine is our most effective weapon against the virus and there has never been a more important time to get protected." 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 35 minutes ago, Banker said: Obviously too late for Iom to meet JCVI recommendation on second doses for over 50s as Ashford says too difficult but U.K. did 1.7m easy enough Overall, more than 1.7 million people have been sent texts by the NHS that invite them to reschedule their appointment. Dr Emily Lawson, the NHS lead for the COVID-19 vaccination programme, said: "The vaccine is our most effective weapon against the virus and there has never been a more important time to get protected." Where there's a will... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 2 hours ago, Banker said: Obviously too late for Iom to meet JCVI recommendation on second doses for over 50s as Ashford says too difficult but U.K. did 1.7m easy enough Overall, more than 1.7 million people have been sent texts by the NHS that invite them to reschedule their appointment. But 1.7 million in UK terms is only equivalent to a bit over 2000 in Manx ones - the number that they were able to reschedule (admittedly just by venue). There's already considerable pressure on 111 for handling testing etc - imagine what would happen if you then ask 48% of the Manx adult population to ring them up and negotiate a new appointment. Even if you did it automatically and people only contacted you if it didn't suit, there would be thousands and probably a lot of no-shows. I'm not saying that this has been handled as well as it could be, but the current situation is the result of past decisions that can't be reversed and some of which were actually called for by those now complaining about the consequences. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 I have had a jab, of sorts. The el cheapo cannon fodder version. never had a letter, had to phone in the end to get an appointment, yet i have had 2 letters and 3 texts from uk nhs about getting my jab, bit odd. Haven't lived there in 15 years and didn't have a doctor other than a military butcher, even when i did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 How they got my phone number and address is a bit of a mystery, considering the manx side don't seem to have it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 30 minutes ago, the stinking enigma said: How they got my phone number and address is a bit of a mystery, considering the manx side don't seem to have it. MI5 watch list stinky 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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