Vaccine- who will have it?

[kevster]

14 minutes ago, Not a paid influencer said:

Like those people who are now dead or disabled after believing that the pro-vax advice was true?

No medication or surgical procedure can ever be 100% safe, but I'll bet that there are more people who have died from not being vaccinated than those who have been.

Edited August 6, 2021 by kevster

[Banker]

22 minutes ago, Not a paid influencer said:

Like those people who are now dead or disabled after believing that the pro-vax advice was true?

Kevster, which is more important, personal gain as a paid influencer or truth and the welfare of our people?

Lot more in hospital who are unvaccinated, when you consider 75% vaccinated that’s 55% of only 25% of unvaccinated population 

55% of people hospitalised with Delta were unvaccinated while nearly 35% had received both jabs - PHE

The Delta variant still counts for 99% of cases in the UK, Public Health England (PHE) says.

Figures show since that 19 July 467 people have been hospitalised with the strain, confirmed by sequencing or genotyping.

PHE said 808 (55.1%) of these were unvaccinated, while 512 (34.9%) were fully vaccinated.

[Not a paid influencer]

Kevster and Banker, I think you will be interested in this:

A recent study published by King’s College in London: Infections in Vaccinated People in U.K. Are Outpacing Infections in the Unvaccinated. https://www.europereloaded.com/coronavirus-spreading-among-the-vaccinated-in-highly-vaccinated-countries/

German Media Outlet Issues Remarkable Apology for Lies and Harms Done to Children.
https://www.europereloaded.com/german-media-outlet-issues-remarkable-apology-for-lies-and-harms-done-to-children-video/

[TheTeapot]

2 minutes ago, Not a paid influencer said:

Infections in Vaccinated People in U.K. Are Outpacing Infections in the Unvaccinated.

Oooh, I wonder why.

[Ramseyboi]

6 minutes ago, Not a paid influencer said:

Kevster and Banker, I think you will be interested in this:

A recent study published by King’s College in London: Infections in Vaccinated People in U.K. Are Outpacing Infections in the Unvaccinated. https://www.europereloaded.com/coronavirus-spreading-among-the-vaccinated-in-highly-vaccinated-countries/

German Media Outlet Issues Remarkable Apology for Lies and Harms Done to Children.
https://www.europereloaded.com/german-media-outlet-issues-remarkable-apology-for-lies-and-harms-done-to-children-video/

Dear Lord.  Read it again, slowly, then have a think about what those figures are saying.

[kevster]

23 minutes ago, Not a paid influencer said:

A recent study published by King’s College in London: Infections in Vaccinated People in U.K. Are Outpacing Infections in the Unvaccinated. https://www.europereloaded.com/coronavirus-spreading-among-the-vaccinated-in-highly-vaccinated-countries/

The vaccine does not stop you catching Covid. What it does do is reduce the chances of it making you seriously ill which sometimes leads to death

[quilp]

29 minutes ago, Not a paid influencer said:

Kevster and Banker, I think you will be interested in this:

A recent study published by King’s College in London: Infections in Vaccinated People in U.K. Are Outpacing Infections in the Unvaccinated. https://www.europereloaded.com/coronavirus-spreading-among-the-vaccinated-in-highly-vaccinated-countries/

German Media Outlet Issues Remarkable Apology for Lies and Harms Done to Children.
https://www.europereloaded.com/german-media-outlet-issues-remarkable-apology-for-lies-and-harms-done-to-children-video/

The 'Liberty Beacon Network'

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-liberty-beacon/

Doesn't have much of a reputation as a news outlet...

[Hugh G Rection]

I think we are overlooking the fact that COVID is going to constantly mutate and the Vaccines are just going to be less and less effective every couple of months. 

SO

What approach can we take? Spend tens of millions every few months on ensuring boosters/re-formulated vaccines are available and then allocate ungodly amounts of resources to the logistics behind transporting and administering these?

If this is the case which it may be, it doesn't seem sustainable, do we really have any other options?

Quite worrying really. 

[Not a paid influencer]

More about "vaccine" efficacy.

From the CDC (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention), 6 August 2021: 74% of COVID-19 infections occurred in fully vaccinated persons.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7031e2.htm

People like Hugh G Rection and myself are not here to tell anyone what to think. We encourage study of relevant information and rejection / acceptance of such as you see fit, with a view to informed and free choice about receiving a vaccine.

Some here might have wrongly thought that I was trying to present information that supports an anti-vax position. On the contrary, you might find information in the linked material that you interpret as pro-vax.

As Hugh indicated, this is about exercising your human rights to informed and free choice in matters such as this. We respect your right to choose as you see fit, and we expect the same from you.

Edited August 6, 2021 by Not a paid influencer

[monasqueen]

28 minutes ago, Not a paid influencer said:

From the CDC (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention), 6 August 2021: 74% of COVID-19 infections occurred in fully vaccinated persons.

That says nothing about the seriousness of the infection. As I understand it, the injection gives a good degree of protection from serious illness.

A friend across, who is asthmatic, and therefore susceptible, had his 2+2 early on. He recently contracted Covid, which gave him an illness for some 24 hours. He is strongly of the opinion that he could have been seriously ill, or worse, had it not been for the injections. 

[Southernman]

1 hour ago, Not a paid influencer said:

More about "vaccine" efficacy.

From the CDC (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention), 6 August 2021: 74% of COVID-19 infections occurred in fully vaccinated persons.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7031e2.htm

People like Hugh G Rection and myself are not here to tell anyone what to think. We encourage study of relevant information and rejection / acceptance of such as you see fit, with a view to informed and free choice about receiving a vaccine.

Some here might have wrongly thought that I was trying to present information that supports an anti-vax position. On the contrary, you might find information in the linked material that you interpret as pro-vax.

As Hugh indicated, this is about exercising your human rights to informed and free choice in matters such as this. We respect your right to choose as you see fit, and we expect the same from you.

Just in case anyone thinks the CDC was talking about the whole of the USA or the world, 74% referred to 469 positive cases in Barnstable County, Massachusetts. 

[Boris Johnson]

Say If everyone had the vaccine then everyone in hospital would have been vaccinated.

Cant you see that?

It massively reduces your chance of death or serious illness, that is all.

[AcousticallyChallenged]

3 hours ago, Not a paid influencer said:

More about "vaccine" efficacy.

From the CDC (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention), 6 August 2021: 74% of COVID-19 infections occurred in fully vaccinated persons.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7031e2.htm

People like Hugh G Rection and myself are not here to tell anyone what to think. We encourage study of relevant information and rejection / acceptance of such as you see fit, with a view to informed and free choice about receiving a vaccine.

Some here might have wrongly thought that I was trying to present information that supports an anti-vax position. On the contrary, you might find information in the linked material that you interpret as pro-vax.

As Hugh indicated, this is about exercising your human rights to informed and free choice in matters such as this. We respect your right to choose as you see fit, and we expect the same from you.

If you've got the majority of people vaccinated, then the likelihood is, the people that are getting infected are vaccinated. It's fairly simple maths. A small proportion of a growing big group eventually gets bigger than a bigger proportion of a shrinking group.

However, they aren't getting nearly as ill or as dead as a result of it. They're also transmitting it less to those they live and work with.

The vaccine is safe and effective, even in light of new variants.

 

Edited August 6, 2021 by AcousticallyChallenged

[Cambon]

7 hours ago, Hugh G Rection said:

Afternoon chaps,

 

Did the government mention if any of the deaths were jabbed or double jabbed?

They mentioned some hospital cases being unvaccinated...but what about the deaths?

Cheers

Does it matter? According to yesterday's briefing, 18 in hospital. 8 over 80, assume double jabbed. Of the other 10, 70% were from the 30% of the population not vaccinated. 30% from the 70% who are vaccinated. 

Says it all! 

[Cambon]

4 hours ago, Hugh G Rection said:

I think we are overlooking the fact that COVID is going to constantly mutate and the Vaccines are just going to be less and less effective every couple of months. 

SO

What approach can we take? Spend tens of millions every few months on ensuring boosters/re-formulated vaccines are available and then allocate ungodly amounts of resources to the logistics behind transporting and administering these?

If this is the case which it may be, it doesn't seem sustainable, do we really have any other options?

Quite worrying really. 

Not really. No parasite wants to kill its host. Mutations allow it to live with us, as well as us live with them.