Vaccine- who will have it?

[TheTeapot]

8 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said:

I haven't read anywhere yet that the vaccine producers have warned against the change in dosage.
 

Loads of links available, here's a basic example but I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to find a more detailed one.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/covid-vaccine-pfizer-second-dose-b1782467.html

"The safety and efficacy of the vaccine has not been evaluated on different dosing schedules as the majority of trial participants received the second dose within the window specified in the study design,"

"There is no data to demonstrate that protection after the first dose is sustained after 21 days.”

Edited January 7, 2021 by TheTeapot

[Bankfern]

Suggest when Astra Zeneca vaccines arrive they should be used in GPs surgeries. Standard practice elsewhere and would speed up delivery. 

[asitis]

Just now, Bankfern said:

Suggest when Astra Zeneca vaccines arrive they should be used in GPs surgeries. Standard practice elsewhere and would speed up delivery. 

Agreed also think outside the box about who we have on the island who can help with delivery retirees etc !!

[Nellie]

22 minutes ago, asitis said:

Agreed also think outside the box about who we have on the island who can help with delivery retirees etc !!

That's hardly thinking outside any box. Other nations have been drawing up 'all hands to the pumps' type plans for months, involving retired doctors, nurses, dentists, vets - anyone who can reasonably be expected to administer a jab safely and correctly.

Here, we seem to have dragged a handful of people from their day jobs, for a couple of days a week, set a modest target of under 1000 jabs per week, decided to sit on 'five weeks supply' (we had six trays and have used one).

This looks like a typical IOMG project. Set a very modest, easy target. Exceed it, and call it a success, while totally ignoring what is happening elsewhere, where governments are going hell for leather, to get as may people as possible, their first dose.

Looking at how easily they have done 1041, in three days, the public should be setting an expectation of 5000* a week, which, looks wholly achieveable, once the supply is more assured. 

*(Current facilities and pace for six days a week, twelve hours a day would give 3000+ so a step up to 5000 should be a 'stretch' target.)

 

 

[Banker]

5 minutes ago, Nellie said:

That's hardly thinking outside any box. Other nations have been drawing up 'all hands to the pumps' type plans for months, involving retired doctors, nurses, dentists, vets - anyone who can reasonably be expected to administer a jab safely and correctly.

Here, we seem to have dragged a handful of people from their day jobs, for a couple of days a week, set a modest target of under 1000 jabs per week, decided to sit on 'five weeks supply' (we had six trays and have used one).

This looks like a typical IOMG project. Set a very modest, easy target. Exceed it, and call it a success, while totally ignoring what is happening elsewhere, where governments are going hell for leather, to get as may people as possible, their first dose.

Looking at how easily they have done 1041, in three days, the public should be setting an expectation of 5000* a week, which, looks wholly achieveable, once the supply is more assured. 

*(Current facilities and pace for six days a week, twelve hours a day would give 3000+ so a step up to 5000 should be a 'stretch' target.)

 

 

Exactly correct, should have plenty of capability as cancelling elective surgery,routine appointments, GP appointments etc .

cancelling elective surgery etc when we have 1 COVID patient in hospital is absolutely stupid 

[Andy Onchan]

22 minutes ago, TheTeapot said:

Loads of links available, here's a basic example but I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to find a more detailed one.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/covid-vaccine-pfizer-second-dose-b1782467.html

"The safety and efficacy of the vaccine has not been evaluated on different dosing schedules as the majority of trial participants received the second dose within the window specified in the study design,"

"There is no data to demonstrate that protection after the first dose is sustained after 21 days.”

Try looking at it the other way around. There is evidence that the first shot provides "considerable protection". They wouldn't be saying that if the trial data didn't say that as well. Keep in mind that in the early days PHE were saying even a 30% efficacy would be enough to allow immunity to develop.

[TheTeapot]

3 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said:

Try looking at it the other way around. There is evidence that the first shot provides "considerable protection". They wouldn't be saying that if the trial data didn't say that as well. Keep in mind that in the early days PHE were saying even a 30% efficacy would be enough to allow immunity to develop.

I've tried looking at it from the other way round. I can't support it. It's asking for trouble. Just think what happens if the gamble doesn't work. 

I don't understand how they (PHE/JVCI) can say there there is evidence when the makers themselves say there is 'no data'. Its wishful thinking, and completely anti-science.

I hope it works.

[Major Rushen]

From Guernsey ITV 22 Dec I hope IOM will have the same transparency. 
 

 

The vaccines were allocated as follows:

350

to care home staff

50

to Medical Specialist Group frontline staff

30

to Primary Care doctors and nurses

25

to Dentists & Hygienists

25 

to paramedics, ambulance technicians and first responders

328

to Acute staff/mental health ward staff/and Allied Health Professionals.

130

to Social care staff, including district nurses, domiciliary care staff and private care

30 doses sent to Alderney and Sark.

[Banker]

More calls to ramp up roll out

https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/ramsey-has-scope-to-boost-vaccine-rollout/

[Cambon]

So, in one of the press conferences, it was announced that we will be sticking to the recommended 21 day approach. To try and ensure consistency, each persons second dose will be from the same batch, at least for the Pfizer jab. 

Therefore, I expect for the next two weeks around 1000 people will be jabbed. The following week, will be 1000 first jabs and 1000 second jabs. 

The AZ vaccine s much more easy to deliver and administer. However, until we have it in any quantity, it cannot be rolled out at the airport. Once that starts, I expect maybe 7000 a week. 

[asitis]

Vets ... I read a great quote from one who said he can do 30 an hour when on his inoculation clinic, and his patients are trying to bite him ! 

[Roger Mexico]

1 minute ago, asitis said:

Vets ... I read a great quote from one who said he can do 30 an hour when on his inoculation clinic, and his patients are trying to bite him ! 

Well yes, but with Covid you can't have the recipients put down if it all goes wrong.

[asitis]

1 minute ago, Roger Mexico said:

Well yes, but with Covid you can't have the recipients put down if it all goes wrong.

I thought the delay in starting vaccination was to have that written into legislation LOL !!

[Apple]

in UK pharmacists and dentists are screaming out to help out with vaccination programme but NHS not allowing...yet.

Depends on who gets paid for what....presumably here that isn't a problem.

2 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

Well yes, but with Covid you can't have the recipients put down if it all goes wrong.

Can't you?...darn. 😁

Edited January 7, 2021 by Apple

[Banker]

8 minutes ago, Apple said:

in UK pharmacists and dentists are screaming out to help out with vaccination programme but NHS not allowing...yet.

Depends on who gets paid for what....presumably here that isn't a problem.

Can't you?...darn. 😁

There's been various posts on Facebook including manx radio one by ex nurses volunteering to help with jabs, being told you need DBS checks then being told by police they are too busy to do the checks!! Another shambles