Andy Onchan Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 2 hours ago, Nellie said: And, on MR today, they are reporting that letters to over 80's are going out in 'next 7 to 10 days' whereas yesterday Ashford said 'tomorrow' i.e. today. It then seems that on receipt, you have to register that you want the vaccine and they will ring you back, when a slot opens up. Talk about an inefficent, labour intensive, slow and error prone system. And to cap it all they're rolling it out for the +80s at Ward 20, where parking is an absolute nightmare. They should start talking to the Vagabonds Rugby Club & the football club (can't recall which club shares the Ballafletcher sports site) to see if their clubhouse can be made available, there's going to be no sport there for a while anyway. The car park there could be cordoned off to allow for easier access. It's all on the level and access to/from the main road at Nobles is easy. And why can't the registration and booking an appointment all be done at the same time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nellie Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said: And to cap it all they're rolling it out for the +80s at Ward 20, where parking is an absolute nightmare. They should start talking to the Vagabonds Rugby Club & the football club (can't recall which club shares the Ballafletcher sports site) to see if their clubhouse can be made available, there's going to be no sport there for a while anyway. The car park there could be cordoned off to allow for easier access. It's all on the level and access to/from the main road at Nobles is easy. And why can't the registration and booking an appointment all be done at the same time? Ashford said yesterday, "This is not a process" which is a fundamantal error of understanding. Yes, it is primarily a medical procedure, with all the attendent protocols, and patient safety issues, but when you want to do it 70,000 times, over 9 months, you definitely need to design an efficient, slick and scaleable 'process'. If not, you will quickly drown in paperwork, phone calls, unanswered calls, post-it notes, poor staff morale, staff absence and complaints. This will lead to clinical errors and delays, which is exactly what they are trying to avoid. Your final question is exactly the sort of question the people involved in designing this clumsy process should have asked, and dealt with. I would also ask, why do you need to register at all? Just book. Surely, booking implies registration. This has all the hallmarks of a process which will cost a fortune, get log jammed very quickly, and from that, mistakes, dissatisfaction and delays are inevitable. I predict now, that just like the Promenade, by the end of February, they will be at least three weeks behind schedule. Edited January 8, 2021 by Nellie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, Nellie said: Ashford said yesterday, "This is not a process" which is a fundamantal error of understanding. Yes, it is primarily a medical procedure, with all the attendent protocols, and patient safety issues, but when you want to do it 70,000 times, over 9 months, you definitely need to design an efficient, slick and scaleable 'process'. If not, you will quickly drown in paperwork, phone calls, unanswered calls, post-it notes, poor staff morale, staff absence and complaints. This will lead to clinical errors and delays, which is exactly what they are trying to avoid. Your final question is exactly the sort of question the people involved in designing this clumsy process should have asked, and dealt with. I would also ask, why do you need to register at all? Just book. Surely, booking implies registration. This has all the hallmarks of a process which will cost a fortune, get log jammed very quickly, and from that, mistakes, dissatisfaction and delays are inevitable. I predict now, that just like the Promenade, by the end of February, they will be at least three weeks behind schedule. Thats a tad optimistic. We are already 2 weeks behind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 59 minutes ago, Happier diner said: Better make some more room in the fridge Wonder if we’ll wait till we have had it a couple of weeks...... then start the paperwork! Need a different fridge. This one needs to be stored at -20C 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 Yes. Over 80s start at Ward 20. Pfizer can only be administered from ward 20. We need significant supplies of AZ before we can roll out at Airport, or elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 9 minutes ago, Nellie said: Ashford said yesterday, "This is not a process" which is a fundamantal error of understanding. Yes, it is primarily a medical procedure, with all the attendent protocols, and patient safety issues, but when you want to do it 70,000 times, over 9 months, you definitely need to design an efficient, slick and scaleable 'process'. If not, you will quickly drown in paperwork, phone calls, unanswered calls, post-it notes, poor staff morale, staff absence and complaints. This will lead to clinical errors and delays, which is exactly what they are trying to avoid. Your final question is exactly the sort of question the people involved in designing this clumsy process should have asked, and dealt with. I would also ask, why do you need to register at all? Just book. Surely, booking implies registration. This has all the hallmarks of a process which will cost a fortune, get log jammed very quickly, and from that, mistakes, dissatisfaction and delays are inevitable. I predict now, that just like the Promenade, by the end of February, they will be at least three weeks behind schedule. Quite so. +1 The re-purposing of the airport as a vaccine centre is going to end up being a very expensive pair of dogs bollocks. I hope one of the journos asks why so much money is being spent on such a basic requirement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, Cambon said: Yes. Over 80s start at Ward 20. Pfizer can only be administered from ward 20. We need significant supplies of AZ before we can roll out at Airport, or elsewhere. Why only Ward 20? It hasn't stopped other parts of the UK from using sports stadiums, even the Excel centre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 40 minutes ago, Cambon said: Need a different fridge. This one needs to be stored at -20C Oh No. More Paperwork 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Gay'n Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 59 minutes ago, Cambon said: Need a different fridge. This one needs to be stored at -20C Our freezers at home operate at -20C, so I hope that this isn't trotted out as another lame government excuse for the lack of pace in our vaccination programme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Andy Onchan said: Why only Ward 20? It hasn't stopped other parts of the UK from using sports stadiums, even the Excel centre. I guess it is easier to ensure the numbers over there. Also, isn't the Excel centre now a nightingale hospital? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Boo Gay'n said: Our freezers at home operate at -20C, so I hope that this isn't trotted out as another lame government excuse for the lack of pace in our vaccination programme. Yeah good point. So does ours. It came from Colburns Ashie Saying that maybe Colburns wont indemnify it to a satisfactory level Edited January 8, 2021 by Happier diner 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 It's a safe bet no one on planet Comin has stamp like Churchill, which adorned his memos saying "action this day !" More like wet the bed and think ! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Rushen Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 2 hours ago, Boo Gay'n said: Our freezers at home operate at -20C, so I hope that this isn't trotted out as another lame government excuse for the lack of pace in our vaccination programme. The Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine needs to be stored at minus 70 Celsius. Health care providers will need to store it either in dry ice for shorter stints or in specialized freezers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Out of the blue Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 40 minutes ago, Major Rushen said: The Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine needs to be stored at minus 70 Celsius. Health care providers will need to store it either in dry ice for shorter stints or in specialized freezers. It is apparently very delicate, and needs strict preparation and handling once defrosted and decanted. It is all about keeping the fat layer on the vaccine liquid. It is not even meant to be taken on stairs, presumably because of the vibrations. Source - Radio 4 this morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc.fixit Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 I wonder how the richer folk are storing the vaccine they have bought. (Reported as happening in USA by Reuter's today) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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