John Wright Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 On 1/18/2021 at 5:37 PM, Banker said: Surprised no one actually asked what stocks we have of each vaccine so it could be established if the roll out could be quicker As the roll out by UK to the CD and BOT is supposed to be pro rata/per head it would be interesting to know why Gibraltar, with a population of 33,000, has received over 15,000 doses. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Hedgehog Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 36 minutes ago, jaymann said: https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/iom-looks-into-delaying-second-dose-of-covid-19-vaccine/ This should come as absolutely no surprise really and just makes another farce of the whole damn process so far. Oh FFS. I can understand the UK doing it as they have to balance the level of infections against the benefits of a single dose but that is not a stage we are at yet (and hopefully never will he at) Just do it properly Dave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaymann Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, John Wright said: As the roll out by UK to the CD and BOT is supposed to be pro rata/per head it would be interesting to know why Gibraltar, with a population of 33,000, has received over 15,000 doses. This was a question I had too. Intrigued to know where their supply is coming from. Edited January 20, 2021 by jaymann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, jaymann said: This was a question I had too. Intrigued to know where their supply is coming from. UK NHS purchasing, same as ours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manx Bean Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, jaymann said: https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/iom-looks-into-delaying-second-dose-of-covid-19-vaccine/ This should come as absolutely no surprise really and just makes another farce of the whole damn process so far. But if you actually listen to the audio clip, David Ashford is NOT saying what this sensationalist headline is! Edited January 20, 2021 by Manx Bean 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxst Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, Manx Bean said: But if you actually listen to the audio clip, David Ashford is NOT saying what this sensationalist headline is! “it is something our clinical group have been looking at” sounds like exactly what the headline says? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 You know what would stop all these awkward pressers and conjecture on social media etc etc ........ If they were honest and open about the situation, there would be no need for Howard to throw teddies out the cot or Ashie to squirm uncomfortably in the spotlight, or to pass the question as though it were a ball on fire ! How refreshing would it be for them to stand up and say today we have x number of vaccinations in storage, our policy is to do x with them, so far we have done ..... The only questions then would be about policy not about what is clearly being withheld ! The more you spin the more pressers and conjecture become uncomfortable, politics lesson 1. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted January 20, 2021 Author Share Posted January 20, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, John Wright said: And when you read the two together it’s clear that 12 week interval vaccination really doesn’t make sense. They may follow Guernsey as they usually do, they are giving all over 80s their 2 doses within 21 days and then all other groups doses 6 weeks apart. The Guernsey model maybe a fair compromise to protect most vulnerable and ensure as many as possible get vaccinated quickly https://www.islandfm.com/news/guernsey-news/six-week-gap-covid-vaccine-doses/ Edited January 20, 2021 by Banker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 (edited) Ashford said a week ago in a press briefing that there was no need to change from the 12 week interval becuse the island was in a very different situation to the UK Clearly there are concerns from Israel. Quote: Answering questions from Sky News viewers, Sir Patrick was asked about an analysis from Israel, where the Pfizer jab has been rolled out the fastest. That study suggested the effectiveness of the vaccine after a single dose was as low as 33% - rather than the 89% that had initially been thought. The 89% figure - pointing to high short-term protection - was used to help justify the UK's decision to delay giving a second vaccine dose to people for up to 12 weeks, as part of a push to get as many people as possible in the UK vaccinated with an initial first dose. https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-uk-to-look-very-carefully-at-vaccine-dosing-after-concerns-raised-over-level-of-protection-12193205 Edited January 20, 2021 by snowman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-analysis-shows-one-vaccine-dose-leaves-uks-over-60s-seriously-vulnerable-12192949 Quote: Two doses look spectacularly effective. That's been shown in the clinical trials. But the evidence that the second dose can be delayed for three months looks shaky. Not even the manufacturers recommend it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 It's not like anyone was expecting this news... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxst Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 (edited) https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-uk-to-look-very-carefully-at-vaccine-dosing-after-concerns-raised-over-level-of-protection-12193205 “That study suggested the effectiveness of the vaccine after a single dose was as low as 33% - rather than the 89% that had initially been thought. The 89% figure - pointing to high short-term protection - was used to help justify the UK's decision to delay giving a second vaccine dose to people for up to 12 weeks, as part of a push to get as many people as possible in the UK vaccinated with an initial first dose.” Edit- sorry, just seen this already shared above. Edited January 20, 2021 by manxst Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 43 minutes ago, asitis said: How refreshing would it be for them to stand up and say today we have x number of vaccinations in storage, our policy is to do x with them, so far we have done ..... The only questions then would be about policy not about what is clearly being withheld ! The more you spin the more pressers and conjecture become uncomfortable, politics lesson 1. He has promised this now on two occasions. We are still waiting 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted January 20, 2021 Author Share Posted January 20, 2021 Patrick valance clarified gap in doses as the headlines are misleading Vallance on vaccine dose questions Here is Sir Patrick's response to questions around the efficacy of the first Pfizer vaccine dose – including a crucial detail around how the approximate 50% protection figure was arrived at. He points out that it is a figure that takes in results from day 0 to 28 – and, importantly, that "you don’t expect to get any protection" in the first 10 days. The clear implication is that numbers from the 0-10 days period is dragging that protection figure down to around 50% - when the true figure from 10-21 days and beyond is closer to the 89% found by clinical trials. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 15 minutes ago, Banker said: Patrick valance clarified gap in doses as the headlines are misleading Vallance on vaccine dose questions Here is Sir Patrick's response to questions around the efficacy of the first Pfizer vaccine dose – including a crucial detail around how the approximate 50% protection figure was arrived at. He points out that it is a figure that takes in results from day 0 to 28 – and, importantly, that "you don’t expect to get any protection" in the first 10 days. The clear implication is that numbers from the 0-10 days period is dragging that protection figure down to around 50% - when the true figure from 10-21 days and beyond is closer to the 89% found by clinical trials. Cheers for that. Explains a lot of contrary information going around. Very important information. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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