madmanxpilot Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 The Oxford manufacturers seem to be suggesting the 'sweet spot' for the application of their second jab is between 8 and 12 weeks. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/13/second-shots-of-covid-vaccine-could-be-delayed-further-in-england Maybe we'll end up with a different strategy for each vaccine type.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 1 hour ago, madmanxpilot said: The Oxford manufacturers seem to be suggesting the 'sweet spot' for the application of their second jab is between 8 and 12 weeks. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/13/second-shots-of-covid-vaccine-could-be-delayed-further-in-england Maybe we'll end up with a different strategy for each vaccine type.. Maybe. Oxford is already stated at 28 days rather than Pfizers 21 days. Unfortunately, I think paying attention to Israels live study is more important than even the manufacturers, whose arms will be being twisted by many governments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmanxpilot Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 14 minutes ago, Cambon said: Maybe. Oxford is already stated at 28 days rather than Pfizers 21 days. Unfortunately, I think paying attention to Israels live study is more important than even the manufacturers, whose arms will be being twisted by many governments. As has been mentioned previously, the 33% figure coming out of Israel represents the whole 21 days post first injection. It is accepted that there is little immunity afforded in the first ten days so its unsurprising that the overall efficacy figures appear lower than expected. As Israel is, as far as I know, giving all second doses at day 21, we'll probably not be able to use their experience to judge the effectiveness of the UK's approach. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 20 minutes ago, madmanxpilot said: As has been mentioned previously, the 33% figure coming out of Israel represents the whole 21 days post first injection. It is accepted that there is little immunity afforded in the first ten days so its unsurprising that the overall efficacy figures appear lower than expected. As Israel is, as far as I know, giving all second doses at day 21, we'll probably not be able to use their experience to judge the effectiveness of the UK's approach. The Israelis are paying a 40% premium to pfizer to queue jump and to be able to collect and interpret the data. Not sure how reliable any data out of Israel will be. After all they’re excluding 35% of the population they are internationally considered responsible for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted January 20, 2021 Author Share Posted January 20, 2021 Although Howie says no requirement for vaccine travel cards etc, companies are starting to say they will be required to travel. Saga Cruises have announced guests will be required to be fully vaccinated against COVID-19 at least 14 days before they are due to sail once Saga resumes cruising. Although Saga cater for older guests I think it will become more common . a Cruises have announced guests will be required to be fully vaccinated against COVID-19 at least 14 days before they are due to sail once Saga resumes cruising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apple Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, Banker said: Although Saga cater for older guests I think it will become more common . Wonder who will sign them as true and for how much......?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted January 20, 2021 Author Share Posted January 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, Apple said: Wonder who will sign them as true and for how much......?? Most countries give you a card but not sure what proof is acceptable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellanvannin2010 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 9 minutes ago, Banker said: Although Howie says no requirement for vaccine travel cards etc, companies are starting to say they will be required to travel. Saga Cruises have announced guests will be required to be fully vaccinated against COVID-19 at least 14 days before they are due to sail once Saga resumes cruising. Although Saga cater for older guests I think it will become more common . a Cruises have announced guests will be required to be fully vaccinated against COVID-19 at least 14 days before they are due to sail once Saga resumes cruising. I can see travel insurance companies requiring you to have it as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apple Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 Don't people get a certificate when they have the jab ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmanxpilot Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Banker said: Although Howie says no requirement for vaccine travel cards etc, companies are starting to say they will be required to travel. Saga Cruises have announced guests will be required to be fully vaccinated against COVID-19 at least 14 days before they are due to sail once Saga resumes cruising. Although Saga cater for older guests I think it will become more common . a Cruises have announced guests will be required to be fully vaccinated against COVID-19 at least 14 days before they are due to sail once Saga resumes cruising. They do seem to be missing the point as to why so many of us are asking for this proof of vaccination document. It's not so that people can come here, that's for IOM Government to set protocols for, it's to allow us residents to travel freely when travel providers, and indeed countries, require proof of vaccination. It may well be that we'll have to get a letter from our GPs. This will increase their workload and undoubtedly incur a fee. There are some functions available within the current online health apps such as Patient Access to allow for sharing of vaccination records and there are other apps under development that can link to our health records and allow for certificates to be generated, maybe that's going to be the way forward. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Banker said: Although Howie says no requirement for vaccine travel cards etc, companies are starting to say they will be required to travel. Saga Cruises have announced guests will be required to be fully vaccinated against COVID-19 at least 14 days before they are due to sail once Saga resumes cruising. Although Saga cater for older guests I think it will become more common . a Cruises have announced guests will be required to be fully vaccinated against COVID-19 at least 14 days before they are due to sail once Saga resumes cruising. Probably for the same reason as airlines, so Saga can cram as many passengers as possible on board. With about one third of people unable to have the vaccine, including all under 19s, how will that work? Adult only holidays? Hang on, might be onto something!!! Edited January 20, 2021 by Cambon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 26 minutes ago, Apple said: Don't people get a certificate when they have the jab ? Like a swimming certificate? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 (edited) Alf C. suggesting that it would cost the Govt £420k a month to test locals returning to the Island after travel (MR News). Which might also suggest that they're reluctant to pay it? Meaning that it might just start getting a bit more expensive to come and go eventually? Edited January 20, 2021 by Non-Believer correction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted January 20, 2021 Author Share Posted January 20, 2021 7 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: Alf C. suggesting that it would cost the Govt £420k a year to test locals returning to the Island after travel (MR News). Which might also suggest that they're reluctant to pay it? Meaning that it might just start getting a bit more expensive to come and go eventually? £420k pm !! he said 700 returned December so that’s £600 each or £200 per tests for 3 which seems very costly https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/covering-travellers-covid-tests-would-cost-govt-420k-a-month/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxst Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, Banker said: £420k pm !! he said 700 returned December so that’s £600 each or £200 per tests for 3 which seems very costly https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/covering-travellers-covid-tests-would-cost-govt-420k-a-month/ Wonder how he gets those figures when I thought people had the option of paying £50 per test at the moment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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