Live Export Ban

[GD4ELI]

From the BBC Here's the link.

Will probably put paid to live export from the rock.

Sending live animals abroad for slaughter will be banned in England and Wales under new government plans.

Environment Secretary George Eustice said the ban could be in force by the end of 2021 in a post-Brexit break from EU trade rules.

[TheTeapot]

Good, I really really hope it applies here. Cramming a load of cows in to a wagon and then sticking them on the Ben for 4 hours is straight up cruel.

How on earth can it possibly be cheaper to ship them live for slaughter than to slaughter them here and ship them dead? It makes no sense.

[Neil Down]

Hope it applies to the Island. seriously overdue

[The Dog's Dangly Bits]

9 hours ago, TheTeapot said:

Good, I really really hope it applies here. Cramming a load of cows in to a wagon and then sticking them on the Ben for 4 hours is straight up cruel.

How on earth can it possibly be cheaper to ship them live for slaughter than to slaughter them here and ship them dead? It makes no sense.

It makes no sense that the government allows it when they could be slaughtered here.  Regardless of cost.

[John Wright]

10 minutes ago, The Dog's Dangly Bits said:

It makes no sense that the government allows it when they could be slaughtered here.  Regardless of cost.

Think you’ll find it’s the farmers, the producers, who want it. They get much better prices across. That’s why slaughter here and shipping carcasses wouldn’t work from a producer view point.

[The Dog's Dangly Bits]

I didn't realise the farmer sold their stock to the place slaughtering them.

Seems bizarre that we subsidise farmers then subsidise a slaughter house they can bypass when it suits them.

Perhaps the govt should levy a charge per animal that is taken off island to discourage it.

[Neil Down]

1 minute ago, The Dog's Dangly Bits said:

I didn't realise the farmer sold their stock to the place slaughtering them.

Seems bizarre that we subsidise farmers then subsidise a slaughter house they can bypass when it suits them.

Perhaps the govt should levy a charge per animal that is taken off island to discourage it.

It was talked about years ago but all that happened was a split in the ranks. Fatstock tried to stop live shipments over 20 years ago but got no support from the government. No surprise there eh.

Remember the Irish meat coming in as competition to the Fatstock. Supposedly cheaper than Manx meat but never happened. Just a bunch of greedy butchers wanting cheaper meat so that they could make bigger profits

[John Wright]

28 minutes ago, The Dog's Dangly Bits said:

I didn't realise the farmer sold their stock to the place slaughtering them.

Seems bizarre that we subsidise farmers then subsidise a slaughter house they can bypass when it suits them.

Perhaps the govt should levy a charge per animal that is taken off island to discourage it.

It’s an imperfect market regulation mechanism, seriously out of date and hasn’t changed with modern times.

It all started out in the 1930’s to protect farmers from unscrupulous butchers. I those days there was an open market, no central monopoly abattoir and every butcher had his own slaughterhouse.

The butchers were running bidding rings at all the marts. They agreed who would bid on each lot, in advance, and bought the meat very cheaply.

The way price of livestock is calculated, conformation, prices in UK abattoirs, then huge apportioned throughput costs, means that prices paid to producers are still low. The throughput costs are high because it doesn’t work round the clock and there aren’t economies of volume or scale.

Things are worse over the last 20 years. There was originally an EU derogation for the IOM red meat production. Meant we could keep meat out. So more meat went through the abattoir to supply Manx demand. When the derogation ended meat could be imported. That meant less local meat needed to meet local demand. That meant lower throughput, that meant higher charges per carcass for processing, which leads to lower net return for farmers. Live exports exacerbate even more.

Ive no idea how much Manx meat processed through the abattoir is sold off Island nowadays. It was always available in Liverpool and Preston at half price. I’m talking 40-30 years ago.

Until 40 years ago they had a canning factory as well. Best tinned stewed steak and mince & onions ever.

[quilp]

My only concern is how much of exported Manx livestock is provided for halal and kosher (inhumane) ritual slaughter. 

[The Dog's Dangly Bits]

I'm not sure that matters.

[quilp]

It may not matter to you Dangler's but for quite a lot of people it really does. 

[Neil Down]

13 hours ago, John Wright said:

It’s an imperfect market regulation mechanism, seriously out of date and hasn’t changed with modern times.

It all started out in the 1930’s to protect farmers from unscrupulous butchers. I those days there was an open market, no central monopoly abattoir and every butcher had his own slaughterhouse.

The butchers were running bidding rings at all the marts. They agreed who would bid on each lot, in advance, and bought the meat very cheaply.

The way price of livestock is calculated, conformation, prices in UK abattoirs, then huge apportioned throughput costs, means that prices paid to producers are still low. The throughput costs are high because it doesn’t work round the clock and there aren’t economies of volume or scale.

Things are worse over the last 20 years. There was originally an EU derogation for the IOM red meat production. Meant we could keep meat out. So more meat went through the abattoir to supply Manx demand. When the derogation ended meat could be imported. That meant less local meat needed to meet local demand. That meant lower throughput, that meant higher charges per carcass for processing, which leads to lower net return for farmers. Live exports exacerbate even more.

Ive no idea how much Manx meat processed through the abattoir is sold off Island nowadays. It was always available in Liverpool and Preston at half price. I’m talking 40-30 years ago.

Until 40 years ago they had a canning factory as well. Best tinned stewed steak and mince & onions ever.

Don't think it was ever half price. It was certainly cheaper. For example a full lamb from the abattoir was approx £30. The same carcass in Liverpool was £20 cut and prepared.

Butchers used to queue up at Smithfield market for the Manx meat wagon to turn up. It was cheaper in London than the IOM even with the transport to get it there

[John Wright]

18 minutes ago, Neil Down said:

Don't think it was ever half price. It was certainly cheaper. For example a full lamb from the abattoir was approx £30. The same carcass in Liverpool was £20 cut and prepared.

Butchers used to queue up at Smithfield market for the Manx meat wagon to turn up. It was cheaper in London than the IOM even with the transport to get it there

Prepared and from the butchers it was approx half price. As you say a full lamb was £30 and then a Manx butcher had to transport it, store it, and cut it up for sale and make a profit. 

 

[The Dog's Dangly Bits]

13 hours ago, quilp said:

It may not matter to you Dangler's but for quite a lot of people it really does. 

That mainly due to racism rather than any real passion about cruelty and or animal suffering.

 

[quilp]

By golly Dangler's, I think you must be right! The British Veterinary Association, the RSPCA, various countries like Denmark and those shady animal welfare groups everywhere, are all just racists, anti-semites and greasy islamophobes! Who'd have thought!