Josem Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 20 hours ago, Boris Johnson said: Waste of time electing MHKs. It would make more sense to elect MHKs to keep everyone happy but then elect the CEOs of each department. Don't the USA do something like that with civil service heads? The US certainly elects a lot more governmental officials. One place even elects their local dogcatcher. I know that this isn't the place for serious ideas, but in the world where we are unlikely to fundamentally change our Westminster political system, a smaller or more achievable reform might be to have term limits on managers in the public service. That might help re-weight the power towards democratically-accountable MHKs, etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyJoe Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Our political system is older than Westminster For that reason our imperialist neighbour has permitted a semblance of independence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josem Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 minute ago, SleepyJoe said: Our political system is older than Westminster Not in its current form. The institution of Tynwald pre-dates Westminster, but the Tynwald of the 11th century is nothing like the Tynwald of the 21st century. The Tynwald of the 21st century is obviously a Westminster-derived form and model. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, Josem said: Not in its current form. The institution of Tynwald pre-dates Westminster, but the Tynwald of the 11th century is nothing like the Tynwald of the 21st century. The Tynwald of the 21st century is obviously a Westminster-derived form and model. Nah, cobber, they copied us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 9 minutes ago, dilligaf said: Nah, cobber, they copied us. You're both wrong because the systems aren't really that similar historically. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 45 minutes ago, Josem said: The US certainly elects a lot more governmental officials. One place even elects their local dogcatcher. I know that this isn't the place for serious ideas, but in the world where we are unlikely to fundamentally change our Westminster political system, a smaller or more achievable reform might be to have term limits on managers in the public service. That might help re-weight the power towards democratically-accountable MHKs, etc. I've said on more than one occasion departmental CEOs should serve for a max of 5 years with a mandate to carry out Tynwald policy.... not their own! It works elsewhere in society so why not in public service? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyJoe Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Josem said: Not in its current form. The institution of Tynwald pre-dates Westminster, but the Tynwald of the 11th century is nothing like the Tynwald of the 21st century. The Tynwald of the 21st century is obviously a Westminster-derived form and model. The modern Westminster model is a party political parliamentary system, Tynwald clearly is not Some precedents set in Westminster may be followed here, but government doesn't control the order paper in any of the chambers Here's the then Speaker Rodan addressing the CPA on the unique character of Tynwald Court https://www.tynwald.org.im/about/extact/cpa/Documents/Parliamentarian Issue One 2012.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Whatever happens we must rid ourselves of the old boys club, it is failing the island repeatedly new blood with no skeletons is needed to be really independent of exterior pressures and make the common sense decisions ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 21 hours ago, Barlow said: I wish Keiran all the best: https://www.facebook.com/KH4MHK/ He’s delusional at best. Who the f@@@ encourages these people. They should be ashamed. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 5 hours ago, TheTeapot said: He is not and never has been a drug dealer. He may well like a little smoke. Character reference maybe ? 🤣🤣 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annoymouse Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 21 hours ago, Barlow said: I wish Keiran all the best: https://www.facebook.com/KH4MHK/ He must have thick skin, unfortunately unless he can convince those of a similar age to him to vote then the odds are truly stacked against him. I might be wrong with my assumption, but he doesn’t strike me as well educated/born with a silver spoon in his mouth, a regular church goer or a successful business man, I struggle to see how he’d fit in with the old boys club, he would be a true representation to those of a similar age to himself though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 5 minutes ago, Annoymouse said: He must have thick skin, unfortunately unless he can convince those of a similar age to him to vote then the odds are truly stacked against him. I might be wrong with my assumption, but he doesn’t strike me as well educated/born with a silver spoon in his mouth, a regular church goer or a successful business man, I struggle to see how he’d fit in with the old boys club, he would be a true representation to those of a similar age to himself though. I reckon you are way off thinking he is typical of young people his age. Typical people are not wacky or using dope. Many are , but not the majority . He would not have made Dinner Monitor at school , never mind Prefect. Screaming Lord Sutch of the IOM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 I'd vote for this guy. We are a nation run by school prefects and dinner monitors. Theirin lies the problem. Good luck to the guy he hasn't a cat in hells chance. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 6 minutes ago, the stinking enigma said: I'd vote for this guy. We are a nation run by school prefects and dinner monitors. Theirin lies the problem. Good luck to the guy he hasn't a cat in hells chance. Should save his pennies then for his habit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annoymouse Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 minute ago, dilligaf said: I reckon you are way off thinking he is typical of young people his age. Typical people are not wacky or using dope. Many are , but not the majority . He would not have made Dinner Monitor at school , never mind Prefect. Screaming Lord Sutch of the IOM The drug use is just one example of his background though isn’t it? which really isn’t the stereotypical background of someone who gets elected is it? but if he was elected maybe he could use that to his advantage? we both know he won’t get a chance though. As for the school type roles, that was only ever for the goody two shoes/privileged. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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