General Thread for the election (old Electioneering starting early thread from Local News)

[Andy Onchan]

37 minutes ago, Apple said:

...ah, the Ferguson days. 

And games always won in extra time!

[Non-Believer]

2 hours ago, Uhtred said:

She also reminded me, out of interest, that the 12 new Members elected 5 years ago wasn’t the biggest Keys shakeup in living memory - apparently there were 13 new MHKs elected in 1976.

We talk about the need for a big shake up; but every 5 years we talk about the need for a shake-up and we had the second biggest on record last time. Did it bring any major changes or benefits? Genuine question.

[Roger Mexico]

3 hours ago, Uhtred said:

Incidentally, another element of my local politics chat with my friend yesterday saw her predict the demise in September, via one method or another, of several current CoMin members. She predicted electoral failure for Harmer and Skelly, retirement for Quayle, and that Cannan, as the new CM, wouldn’t find a place for Cregeen (but sadly would for Baker) and would of course have to replace himself as Treasury Minister, thus leading to four new Ministers. She also considered that a strong candidate out west would empty Boot as well, but that there’s no evidence of anyone with the clout to do it. (Believing that despite a head full of sawdust, Crookall will dump Harmer). The current CoMin has to be the weakest ever, so a very substantial shake up would be a good thing. She also reminded me, out of interest, that the 12 new Members elected 5 years ago wasn’t the biggest Keys shakeup in living memory - apparently there were 13 new MHKs elected in 1976.

What is really striking about the current house wasn't so much the number of new MHKs but how many of the 'old' ones were almost as inexperienced.  Only Watterson and Cregeen had 10 years experience on election and five of the other 12 had only come into the previous House in by-elections.

Skelly only lucked in last time because the vote against him was split.  There have been rumours of retirement but he might wait to see what the opposition is and what happens with President.  He won't be quite 60 so he could always stand for the parachute payment[1].  Cregeen might be similar.

Boot is vulnerable against any opposition at all (there aren't that many expats) and Crookall should get rid of one of them and practically anyone else should do for the other.

It's going to be more difficult to tell what is going to happen because a lot of potential candidates probably won't declare now till after the local elections.  Both as a way of assessing their support and because it doesn't look good to stand for a job and saying you want to quit it in 3 months.  This will apply in a lot of constituencies, particularly with sitting councillors/commissioners.

 

[1]  This used to be available to all MHKs who lost their seats but they tightened it up after Singer (always keen to max out his expenses) stood last time.

[SleepyJoe]

This time the major change required is the public participating in voting for the 'Agenda For Change' that will be adopted into the next programme for government

[Rhumsaa]

1 hour ago, Non-Believer said:

We talk about the need for a big shake up; but every 5 years we talk about the need for a shake-up and we had the second biggest on record last time. Did it bring any major changes or benefits? Genuine question.

it's definitely not been the sizeable shift in direction that we hoped for with such a sweeping change of MHK.

I basically blame LibVan for that missed opportunity because without the hubris of Kate Costain taking the 3 LibVan votes we would have had Alf as CM and avoided the HQ drifting years

[SleepyJoe]

What direction would you expect from Mr Cannan?

[the stinking enigma]

A return of fox hunting, certainly.

[Uhtred]

1 hour ago, Non-Believer said:

We talk about the need for a big shake up; but every 5 years we talk about the need for a shake-up and we had the second biggest on record last time. Did it bring any major changes or benefits? Genuine question.

It did not. It brought mediocrity.

[Banker]

1 minute ago, Uhtred said:

It did not. It brought mediocrity.

What did anyone expect with Howard in charge? No women in a Comin filled with incompetent yes men with a couple of exceptions. Any criticism is met with arrogance & downright abuse particularly if from a woman 

[Ham_N_Eggs]

1 hour ago, Roger Mexico said:

Skelly only lucked in last time because the vote against him was split.  There have been rumours of retirement but he might wait to see what the opposition is and what happens with President

He's rumoured to be in the running.

[Apple]

12 minutes ago, Ham_N_Eggs said:

He's rumoured to be in the running.

Is Skelly standing again though. Rumour has it that he isn't. 

Current talk is of Dr Heywood from the Commissioners ? running for MHK. 

Barber if elected will get Comin - that seem to be her ambition. 

Whoever gets in, please take their lap tops off them when in the HoK and Tynwald.

And televise all the sessions. Whatever the cost ? c.100,000. And bring in recall.

[SleepyJoe]

Rushen will be wide open then

[slinkydevil]

29 minutes ago, Apple said:

And bring in recall.

Total Recall?

[Rhumsaa]

6 minutes ago, slinkydevil said:

Total Recall?

get your ass to Mars

[Ham_N_Eggs]

54 minutes ago, Apple said:

Is Skelly standing again though. Rumour has it that he isn't. 

Current talk is of Dr Heywood from the Commissioners ? running for MHK. 

Barber if elected will get Comin - that seem to be her ambition. 

Whoever gets in, please take their lap tops off them when in the HoK and Tynwald.

And televise all the sessions. Whatever the cost ? c.100,000. And bring in recall.

He doesn't need to run again to be President, as has already been pointed out on this thread the election is at the July Tynwald before the Keys break up. The President's job is five extra years towards the pension but without all the responsibility of CoMin or the hassle having to get shouted at / laughed off everyone's doorstep.