General Thread for the election (old Electioneering starting early thread from Local News)

[TheTeapot]

5 minutes ago, Keiran Hannifin said:

250votes*

 

And That's an ish

He got 1205. 

[Chris C]

6 hours ago, Apple said:

To be elected the need for realism is crucial. 

Couldn't disagree more, it stifles innovation and political progress.

To be a realist is to give up before you've even started. We need idealists to challenge the lazy unimaginative politics that has turned the island into the place it is today. 

[Apple]

3 minutes ago, Chris C said:

To be a realist is to give up before you've even started.

I disagree. To be a realist is to have aims, some targets, in preparation for perhaps another programme for government. KH has clarified the questions I asked him about the health services and that seems realistic for me.

Too many manifestos come up with 'supporting' this aspect, or trying to 'improve' this etc. No-one at the last election was going on about introducing Manx Care. It was Kate on about retirement villages I think.

As Chris Thomas told me once, you have to take the rest of Tynwald with you to make changes. 

[Chris C]

2 minutes ago, Apple said:

 

As Chris Thomas told me once, you have to take the rest of Tynwald with you to make changes. 

This is true. However there is more than one way to skin a cat. You could do it your way and water down your big ideas, until they're so benign nobody has any reason to oppose them,  or, as Kieran has suggested,  light enough fires in the bellies of the electorate that others are forced to follow you. 

Let's face it, in Middle you're not going to get much radical political change from a fella who thinks he's next in the queue for a gong and a retired Scottish bank manager who just needs to be as ineffectual as he has been for the last 5 years for the next 5 in order to be set up with a pension for life. 

[The Voice of Reason]

On 1/5/2021 at 10:30 PM, Josem said:

I'm pretty confident that the best thing about my unsuccessful candidacy for Tynwald last year was avoiding the requirement to attend meetings of Tynwald.

You seem a decent guy. But did you not work out that attending meetings of Tynwald is an essential part of the role of an MHK before you decided to stand?

Its a bit like saying I applied for a job as a zoo keeper but was glad I didn’t get it because I don’t like animals.

[Declan]

2 hours ago, TheTeapot said:

He got 1205. 

His majority was only 185. 
 

It’s rather academic though since it’s possibly Quayle won’t stand. Even if he does he don’t know how him being CM changes how Middle views him. 

[The Voice of Reason]

Kieran has said his occupation is a cleaner. I can’t say I agree with his policies (as those I have read in his Facebook posting replicated on here) but at least he has the balls to stand.

I look forward to all the sneering about his occupation as those tractor salesman and farmers have had to endure about their suitability to act as elected representatives.

Edited January 26, 2021 by The Voice of Reason

[John Wright]

5 hours ago, The Voice of Reason said:

Kieran has said his occupation is a cleaner. I can’t say I agree with his policies (as those I have read in his Facebook posting replicated on here) but at least he has the balls to stand.

I look forward to all the sneering about his occupation as those tractor salesman and farmers have had to endure about their suitability to act as elected representatives.

Wasn’t Kate Beecroft a cleaner?

[manxman34]

5 hours ago, John Wright said:

Wasn’t Kate Beecroft a cleaner?

Is that a recommendation?

[Leon]

16 hours ago, Keiran Hannifin said:

Im on Twitter my handle is @kh4mhk

 

I havent really used it for much but having a quick dig at howard. But, I do plan to as the Mann-ifesto is released.

 

Thanks for the kind words. And certainly a less conservative government could do alot for this island.

 

Its a habitat, not a business. If we are spending as much as they state in benefits, why are so many using the food bank? After one week of no wages, alot of people sank seriously deep. This island seem to be manned by people on the bread line. And lots, unfortunately seem to have developed a form of Stockholm syndrome in the hope that the rich men may help.

 

They won't.

 

And, it's OK if you don't live in middle, our island is powered by skeet. The benefit of being a "controversial" candidate is people love to gossip. So, I'm saving money in adds and actually engaging with people about issues with legislation.

I'd like to hope there will be other progressives step forward for other seats.

 

But with or without them, I do plan to fight for the whole island and not just my constituents. 

From what I have heard you say and what I read you come across as a narcissistic self-seeker.

[Leon]

On 1/5/2021 at 5:15 PM, TheTeapot said:

I wouldn't, because he consistently jumps to conclusions for sets of data that aren't there, oh, and he thinks Brexit and the ending of free movement was a good idea, oh and he thinks minimum alcohol pricing is a good idea, oh, and he's not in any way shape or form a 'liberal'. Oh, yeah, and he's far too sensitive to be a politician.

Exactly the same as Weatherall.

[horatiotheturd]

11 minutes ago, Leon said:

From what I have heard you say and what I read you come across as a narcissistic self-seeker.

No need at all for that.

Looking forward to learning which seat Leon has been brave enough to put himself forward for.

[TheTeapot]

1 minute ago, Leon said:

Exactly the same as Weatherall.

I saw Josem has done some 'analysis' on our vaccination situation. I havent read it because I know that it will be wrong.

[Leon]

On 1/5/2021 at 5:30 PM, quilp said:

Dare I declare it but Josem has gone up in my estimation, on the back of a couple of interviews. One being the weekend debate chaired by Moulton on IoMtv with Stokes from ITV and Robertshaw last November. He said some sensible things (honest!), as did Robertshaw, both being particularly scathing about the egos and power decision-making within government and the debacles of the prom and other projects especially.

He has a bit of independence about him, like that Watson fella. 

They all do until they get the power they crave unfortunately.

[Leon]

4 minutes ago, horatiotheturd said:

No need at all for that.

Looking forward to learning which seat Leon has been brave enough to put himself forward for.

Of course, the old acorn that people throw out whenever they have nothing else to contribute. I have the realism to realise that I have not the will or the qualification to stand and I don't mind saying so but that does not mean I have not the qualification to have an opinion on who believes they do.

 

Edited January 27, 2021 by Leon