buncha wankas Posted February 3, 2021 Author Share Posted February 3, 2021 On 2/1/2021 at 1:46 PM, Josem said: It's definitely possible - I do not know. The explanation by @Roger Mexico is persuasive to me. My gut feeling is that it comes down to how you define someone as "Manx" - our imprecise English language has a bunch of people that might be considered Manx in various contexts, and not in other contexts. For example: A) PersonA has 4 grandparents born in IOM and 2 parents born in IOM, but the mother gives birth in Liverpool. PersonA tragically dies a week after birth - is that person "Manx", despite never having been to IOM? What if they live be to 70 years old and never visit the Isle of Man? B) PersonB has all ancestors born elsewhere, but is born in IOM. Are they Manx? C) PersonC has all ancestors born elsewhere, is born in London, and moves with their family to IOM as a young child. After living in IOM for 70 years, are they "Manx"? D) Next year, I'll have lived most of my adult life here. Am I Manx? I certainly have no confidence on how to answer A or B or C* or even D**. There are various ideas of Manx as a concept of nationality, ethnicity, and culture - and few of them are likely to be binary. I could imagine strong arguments in favour each of A/B/C/D being Manx. *I met someone last year who fits the description of "C", and he didn't think of himself as "Manx" - so even different people who fit these demographics might have different ideas around self-identity. **Hence, I describe myself as "becoming Manx by choice". I doubt I'll ever get all the way there, perhaps it's a gradual process that I'll never achieve? I don't know. How difficult is the concept of born here makes you Manx, born off the island but under the care of our nhs, as in IOM pay and care for, baby is Manx. It’s not a hard concept, just like children of military gain parent nationality no matter country of birth. You are Australian or where ever. Don’t over think it, it’s a simple concept. I would not go to live in Australia and expect to claim I was Australian. We would be immigrants and resident of Australia. You should be proud to be an Australian and your heritage. You know what you are when you fill it in on forms or census. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josem Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 18 hours ago, buncha wankas said: How difficult is the concept of born here makes you Manx, born off the island but under the care of our nhs, as in IOM pay and care for, baby is Manx. I guess "geography of birth" is one way that you can determine it. Other people might decide on the basis of ethnicity, or culture, or nationality. I don't think there's an objectively "correct" answer today. 18 hours ago, buncha wankas said: I would not go to live in Australia and expect to claim I was Australian. Why would you not expect to claim that? Literally hundreds of thousands of people do so every year, and saying that an immigrant can't become Australian* is an wildly offensive thing in the eyes of many people. There are community festivals and ceremonies held in figuratively every town in Australia where people claim the right to become Australian. Welcoming migrants to be fully-fledged members of the nation is the norm in most countries of the world - hence, the whole concept of naturalisation. Here in the Isle of Man, there are naturalisation ceremonies, and it is surprising that at those ceremonies, people seem to become British, rather than Manx. It is odd and unusual that the normal rights & responsibilities of citizenship (voting, jury duty, military conscription, work rights, etc) in the Isle of Man are mostly not tied to citizenship, but instead tied to residency. *Or American, or Canadian, or British, or etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 Only the fakkin abbos are australian anyway. What gives a white australian to claim any sort of heritage? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 In that sense, you are as much manx as you are australian mr josem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 21 minutes ago, the stinking enigma said: Only the fakkin abbos are australian anyway. What gives a white australian to claim any sort of heritage? Same as any American who isn’t a red indian , families been there maybe 2/300 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uhtred Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 I know what a fucking Manxie is and what it fucking isn’t. I can label Johnny Foreigner quick as look at him. By which I mean any bugger not from down my way. For example, bloody Wattersons from over the Bridge, Corrins from Peel and Cowells from Douglas. Foreigners the lot of ‘em. And don’t get me started on those aliens from Laxey. 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhumsaa Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 3 hours ago, Banker said: Same as any American who isn’t a red indian , families been there maybe 2/300 years you mean Native American? 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 8 minutes ago, Rhumsaa said: you mean Native American? And even they are imports... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Americans_in_the_United_States#:~:text=The ancestors of living Native,societies and cultures subsequently developed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 "1st Nation"? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 12 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: "1st Nation"? This is how many prefer it, certainly when I went and stayed with the Quatsino tribe that's what they said when I asked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buncha wankas Posted February 5, 2021 Author Share Posted February 5, 2021 18 hours ago, Josem said: I guess "geography of birth" is one way that you can determine it. Other people might decide on the basis of ethnicity, or culture, or nationality. I don't think there's an objectively "correct" answer today. Why would you not expect to claim that? Literally hundreds of thousands of people do so every year, and saying that an immigrant can't become Australian* is an wildly offensive thing in the eyes of many people. There are community festivals and ceremonies held in figuratively every town in Australia where people claim the right to become Australian. Welcoming migrants to be fully-fledged members of the nation is the norm in most countries of the world - hence, the whole concept of naturalisation. Here in the Isle of Man, there are naturalisation ceremonies, and it is surprising that at those ceremonies, people seem to become British, rather than Manx. It is odd and unusual that the normal rights & responsibilities of citizenship (voting, jury duty, military conscription, work rights, etc) in the Isle of Man are mostly not tied to citizenship, but instead tied to residency. *Or American, or Canadian, or British, or etc. Load of shite mate. The fact that you dribbled all that rubbish is proof your not Manx. Manx is a culture and Heritage, from birth, you personally are either Australian by culture and heritage and British by paperwork. Is that simple enough for you? Wannabe Manx is what you are, not ‘Manx by choice’. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Down Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 15 hours ago, Uhtred said: I know what a fucking Manxie is and what it fucking isn’t. I can label Johnny Foreigner quick as look at him. By which I mean any bugger not from down my way. For example, bloody Wattersons from over the Bridge, Corrins from Peel and Cowells from Douglas. Foreigners the lot of ‘em. And don’t get me started on those aliens from Laxey. those from Onchan, please refrain from commenting... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 There was an interesting discussion in this thread. Josem posted a load of off-topic gibberish but people ignored it and the thread rolled on, until Buncha Wankas bit, and the thread becomes a tired re-hash of what it means to be Manx. The lesson is ignore Josem's bullshit. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Neil Down said: those from Onchan, please refrain from commenting... Don't worry I'm not putting my head above the parapet on this one, not when Uhtred's got his dander up like that! 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apple Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 On 2/5/2021 at 1:52 PM, Andy Onchan said: not when Uhtred's got his dander up like that! Uhtreds a 'he'....? Ruined my illusion now 😔 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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