ManxTaxPayer Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 I've just been looking at the NW 200 circuit map on their website, and I noticed there have been quite a few modern alterations to it with the purpose of slowing down the competitors. You know, chicanes and stuff. It's got me wondering, has there ever been an alteration to the TT course that had a similar aim? I can't think of one. Plenty to speed them up mind. Anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0bserver Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 7 hours ago, Amadeus said: past incidents have shown that it’s always worth questioning what is being done by organisers. The organisers and their apologists don't like it when people do that. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banky Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 18 minutes ago, ManxTaxPayer said: I've just been looking at the NW 200 circuit map on their website, and I noticed there have been quite a few modern alterations to it with the purpose of slowing down the competitors. You know, chicanes and stuff. It's got me wondering, has there ever been an alteration to the TT course that had a similar aim? I can't think of one. Plenty to speed them up mind. Anyone? Yes, the Stop box at the pit entrance ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0bserver Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 3 hours ago, paswt said: Well whoever did the risk assessment here (Casey's) must have been aware that there have been 5 "offs" here including 2 'fatals' . Previously there was a rock strewn gulley ( initial point of impact of the 2 fatalities )adjacent to the raised curb which has been now filled in with granite and the bank cut back. I have ventured to suggest on a number of occasions to the powers that be that air fencing would minimise the risk to riders without success and as a result take the view that to continue to marshals to be complicit in failing to consider rider safety. Just saying It's road racing though. If you want all that doing then it needs moving to a circuit at Jurby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooly Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 8 hours ago, Amadeus said: At least one is where a bike went off before. Connor would have been shish kebab had that been there. No he wouldn't. It's about 100m up the road from where conor crashed. anyway, all those scaffolds have been in those locations for years as marshaling points. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 1 hour ago, ManxTaxPayer said: I've just been looking at the NW 200 circuit map on their website, and I noticed there have been quite a few modern alterations to it with the purpose of slowing down the competitors. You know, chicanes and stuff. It's got me wondering, has there ever been an alteration to the TT course that had a similar aim? I can't think of one. Plenty to speed them up mind. Anyone? I can't think of any course modifications to the TT course that have ever been done with the express purpose of slowing things down, in fact the exact opposite while we engage in a dick-waving contest with the UGP for the title of the World's Fastest Road Race. It's always been the relentless pursuit of higher and higher lap speeds particularly in the last 20 years and modifications to the course in the name of open roads safety have contributed to that. Plus race machinery spec which exceeds that on short circuits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Flint Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 9 hours ago, ManxTaxPayer said: I've just been looking at the NW 200 circuit map on their website, and I noticed there have been quite a few modern alterations to it with the purpose of slowing down the competitors. You know, chicanes and stuff. It's got me wondering, has there ever been an alteration to the TT course that had a similar aim? I can't think of one. Plenty to speed them up mind. Anyone? They even put a chicane in on the Mulsanne Straight at Le Mans for that purpose. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chief Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 10 hours ago, ManxTaxPayer said: I've just been looking at the NW 200 circuit map on their website, and I noticed there have been quite a few modern alterations to it with the purpose of slowing down the competitors. You know, chicanes and stuff. It's got me wondering, has there ever been an alteration to the TT course that had a similar aim? I can't think of one. Plenty to speed them up mind. Anyone? nope, they want the 'World's fastest race' title and will shave off corners (AKA Brandish) in the continued hope that one of the nutters breaks the lap record every year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrighty Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 3 hours ago, The Chief said: nope, they want the 'World's fastest race' title and will shave off corners (AKA Brandish) in the continued hope that one of the nutters breaks the lap record every year. They always seem to quote lap records in terms of speed rather than time, presumably so that shaving off the odd corner, thereby reducing the lap length a bit, means that they don't continually have to qualify lap records with what iteration of the course design was in effect at the time. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 16 hours ago, ManxTaxPayer said: I've just been looking at the NW 200 circuit map on their website, and I noticed there have been quite a few modern alterations to it with the purpose of slowing down the competitors. You know, chicanes and stuff. It's got me wondering, has there ever been an alteration to the TT course that had a similar aim? I can't think of one. Plenty to speed them up mind. Anyone? Chicanes may slow riders down on straights but the NW200 and UGP have had several fatalities because of them, some quite high profile. Unfortunately insurers and other non riding people tend to think that suddenly slowing down and speeding up is safe! 5 hours ago, The Chief said: nope, they want the 'World's fastest race' title and will shave off corners (AKA Brandish) in the continued hope that one of the nutters breaks the lap record every year. Quarry Bends, Windy Corner and Brandish were all changed to make the roads safer for motorists. Most riders preferred the original layout, they didn't add any significant increases in lap speeds! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Ship Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 2 hours ago, wrighty said: They always seem to quote lap records in terms of speed rather than time, ... That always really annoys me. It must be the only motor racing event in the world (car or motorcycle) where laps and lap records etc are always referred to in terms of mph speed rather than elapsed time. It's bonkers. You wouldn't expect a commentator to say that "Hickman now has an average speed advantage of 2.1 mph over Dunlop" rather than "Hickman now has a 6 second advantage over Dunlop" so why the obsession with mph and lap speeds rather than times? As somebody else said, I suppose it's puerile dick waving over which road racing meet is fastest. It's pathetic... 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 42 minutes ago, Max Power said: Chicanes may slow riders down on straights but the NW200 and UGP have had several fatalities because of them, some quite high profile. Unfortunately insurers and other non riding people tend to think that suddenly slowing down and speeding up is safe! Quarry Bends, Windy Corner and Brandish were all changed to make the roads safer for motorists. Most riders preferred the original layout, they didn't add any significant increases in lap speeds! so, the faster corner speeds and shorter distances had almost no effect on anything....................?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 1 hour ago, WTF said: so, the faster corner speeds and shorter distances had almost no effect on anything....................?? Pretty minimal really, a handful of seconds at best. When you speed up one corner you tend to create a problem at the next one, such as the effect of bumps or having to brake harder or slow down earlier. The lap record did increase following the Quarry bends improvements in '88 but not by a huge amount. Likewise in 2007 with Brandish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amadeus Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 Nice touch by TT+ to hide agreement to the terms in the marketing opt in box. Wonder what the ICO will say to that. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 1 hour ago, Max Power said: Pretty minimal really, a handful of seconds at best. When you speed up one corner you tend to create a problem at the next one, such as the effect of bumps or having to brake harder or slow down earlier. The lap record did increase following the Quarry bends improvements in '88 but not by a huge amount. Likewise in 2007 with Brandish. dont forget windy , both windy and brandish shortened the course from what it was, both bends have an unrestricted run into them and out. i don't know what the actual corner speeds used to be or what they are now , but when you don't have to slow as much you get back to as fast as possible sooner. it would be interesting to get an old video of the TT and time how long from out of the 32nd to hillberry dip and then do the same for 2018 footage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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