Steady Eddie Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 Just to interject on all the doom and gloom. I saw this up at the Creg yesterday in the burger hut by the grandstand. Just pointing out that charging a £1 surcharge for people to pay by debit card is illegal in the IOM just as it is everywhere else in the UK you greedy shits. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twitch Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 5 minutes ago, Passing Time said: Why would they try to put a feckin "spin" on it. A rider has tragically lost his life but some on here use it as an "I told you so". An average of 6 motorcyclists a week lose their lives in accidents on UK roads. Racers here are aware of the risks involved with motorcycling and not just at the TT. There have been around 120 deaths involving the GP series. They don't go out with the intention of getting killed but sadly, very sadly it happens. What can be done to prevent this? I'd guess not a lot. Course safety has been improved in recent years but not to the point that total protection can be guaranteed Didn't the majority of GP deaths take place in the Isle of Man TT when it was part of the GP calendar? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passing Time Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 2 minutes ago, Twitch said: Didn't the majority of GP deaths take place in the Isle of Man TT when it was part of the GP calendar? Nope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandits Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 3 minutes ago, Twitch said: Didn't the majority of GP deaths take place in the Isle of Man TT when it was part of the GP calendar? Yes they are! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Login Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 2 minutes ago, Passing Time said: Why would they try to put a feckin "spin" on it. A rider has tragically lost his life but some on here use it as an "I told you so". An average of 6 motorcyclists a week lose their lives in accidents on UK roads. Racers here are aware of the risks involved with motorcycling and not just at the TT. There have been around 120 deaths involving the GP series. They don't go out with the intention of getting killed but sadly, very sadly it happens. What can be done to prevent this? I'd guess not a lot. Course safety has been improved in recent years but not to the point that total protection can be guaranteed Those motorcyclists though are not dying in the name of sport to entertain you and others, or partaking in an an event designed to attract tourists and make money. I don't think I have ever been asked to attend any other event, sporting pr otherwise, where there is an expectation that somebody may die whilst I am watching it. Or that after the event where people have died there will be people standing up and referring it as a great event this year. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passing Time Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 1 minute ago, Bandits said: Yes they are! No they didn't, try reading up on it and post something factual for a change... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passing Time Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 (edited) Circuit Total First Last Isle of Man TT Mountain Course 36 1949 1976 Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps 10 1949 1984 TT Circuit Assen 7 1957 1975 Autodromo Nazionale Monza 4 1954 1973 Silverstone Circuit 4 1980 1983 Clady Circuit 3 1951 1952 Solitudering 3 1954 1964 Dundrod Circuit 3 1955 1961 Brno Circuit 3 1969 1981 Hockenheimring 3 1968 1994 Sachsenring 3 1967 1971 Opatija Circuit 3 1974 1977 Mugello Circuit 3 1976 2021 Circuit Bremgarten 2 1952 1952 Nürburgring 2 1955 1970 Imatra Circuit 2 1964 1982 Automotodrom Grobnik 2 1981 1983 Bugatti Circuit 2 1983 1983 Circuit d'Albi 1 1951 1951 Charade Circuit 1 1963 1963 Salzburgring 1 1977 1977 Autodromo Enzo e Dino Ferrari 1 1981 1981 Circuit Paul Ricard 1 1988 1988 Circuito de Jerez 1 1993 1993 Suzuka Circuit 1 2003 2003 Misano Circuit 1 2010 2010 Sepang International Circuit 1 2011 2011 Circuit de Barcelona-Catalunya 1 2016 2016 Sadly the full stats can be found here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rider_deaths_in_motorcycle_racing Edited June 5, 2022 by Passing Time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annoymouse Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 I’m almost certain this same debate happens every TT, it goes round and round in circles until people eventually get bored and the next one starts up. It must be nearly a tradition as old as the TT itself. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysteron Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 4 minutes ago, Passing Time said: Why would they try to put a feckin "spin" on it. A rider has tragically lost his life but some on here use it as an "I told you so". An average of 6 motorcyclists a week lose their lives in accidents on UK roads. Racers here are aware of the risks involved with motorcycling and not just at the TT. There have been around 120 deaths involving the GP series. They don't go out with the intention of getting killed but sadly, very sadly it happens. What can be done to prevent this? I'd guess not a lot. Course safety has been improved in recent years but not to the point that total protection can be guaranteed I would guess the number of motoring fatalities in any one week in the UK easily outnumbers those involving motorcyclists, as inevitably accidents do happen. However, by and large, they're not in circumstances/events where it's tangibly supported and actively encouraged by the government. Big difference, in my book. That also might account for why the authorities may elect to "spin" things - trying to defend what even they must now start to realise is becoming indefensible. Everything has its day, and I suppose the skill is in knowing when to actually call it a day. In my opinion, the TT defenders etc are beginning to sound a bit like the National Rifle Association in the USA defending the right to bear arms. 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysteron Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 22 minutes ago, HeliX said: To be fair, I know a couple of already very seasonal businesses that'd fold without the TT. Not that I think the financials are that relevant anyway. I don't doubt that's correct. However, the marshals I know were referring to 'Isle of Man PLC' rather than seasonal businesses. The island's livelihood relied on the TT according to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 1 hour ago, Mistercee said: It would appear that there may be a lot more to come out about the incident at the bottom of Bray Hill. Autosport magazine are reporting "it is thought that" two outfits were involved. Sidecar racer dies after incident on Saturday at Isle of Man TT (autosport.com) Are they more on the ball than our local media outlets? Pretty certain that that's not the case, there would be no reason to cover anything like this up, plenty of witnesses and on film by Greenlight. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twitch Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 9 minutes ago, Passing Time said: No they didn't, try reading up on it and post something factual for a change... Ah sorry, it's just the circuit with the most deaths occurring on it then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 3 minutes ago, Mysteron said: I don't doubt that's correct. However, the marshals I know were referring to 'Isle of Man PLC' rather than seasonal businesses. The island's livelihood relied on the TT according to them. It probably doesn't, but a number of business employing a number of staff is fairly significant in a local sense at least. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandits Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 12 minutes ago, Passing Time said: No they didn't, try reading up on it and post something factual for a change... You could try not being an aggressive arsehole for a change. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 5 minutes ago, Mysteron said: Everything has its day, and I suppose the skill is in knowing when to actually call it a day. In my opinion, the TT defenders etc are beginning to sound a bit like the National Rifle Association in the USA defending the right to bear arms. A big difference, apart from anything guns are used to kill other people, so a poor analogy. I personally know two people killed on skiing holidays in the past two years, an industry backed by the governments of those countries . Although involved in the sport, I didn't know any of the riders killed in 2019 or 2022 at the TT. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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