WTF Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 3 minutes ago, cheesypeas said: If they reduced the power / speed, you’d just bunch more riders together. Probably more dangerous. hardly, they'd still have starting intervals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 21 minutes ago, Chinahand said: Of course they know the risks - and I'm sure lots of them would love to be speed freaks flying their own air racers in the Air Race World Championship, but they can't afford to and so don't. The reason they can afford to come and thrill seek on our closed roads, is because they can enter at an especially low price ... because they don't have to have adequate insurance to come and do it. Think about that for a minute. Young thrill seekers, subsidised to kill and injure themselves, by the ultimate organising authority skimming on the insurance requirements. Not convinced we should price people out of enjoying what they love just because it's dangerous. It's also not a low price. The insurance might be, but everything else related to competing at the TT is not. It's not a money spinner for the competitors, and quite a lot of them will be making a loss. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 4 minutes ago, cheesypeas said: If they reduced the power / speed, you’d just bunch more riders together. Probably more dangerous. Why would it bunch them? If anything they'd be more likely to maintain the intervals because the "racing" (against the clock) would be considerably closer, so there'd be less movement from their starting orders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sausages Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 We need more thoughts and prayers to stop it happening over and over again. Oh sorry, wrong thread. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amadeus Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Max Power said: There are several policies which will cover you, the ACU policy can also be upgraded. The ACU Benevolent fund and TT Rider’s Association also help with immediate costs and hardship. Sorry I screwed the audio up on this one, but I really want the TTRA to get more support. Most people don’t even know what the orange container behind the grandstand is for. I love the TT and want it to continue for many, many years but every death hurts and makes you think. Think if more could be done to prevent incidents, to make things safer, to limit the potential for harm. And if more could be done for those affected when things go wrong because right now it looks and feels as if a lot more could be done, and just saying “we’re ever so sorry, he died doing what he loved” simply isn’t good enough conduct by organisers who are only too happy to profit from the danger and excitement factor. The TT is being commercialised to fuck right now. At least have the decency to look after the competitors better. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesypeas Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 8 minutes ago, HeliX said: Why would it bunch them? If anything they'd be more likely to maintain the intervals because the "racing" (against the clock) would be considerably closer, so there'd be less movement from their starting orders. 38 miles x 6 laps? Can’t see them maintaining gaps for the duration. Plenty of ‘dog fights’ now and they’re all doing 130. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 Just now, cheesypeas said: 38 miles x 6 laps? Can’t see them maintaining gaps for the duration. Plenty of ‘dog fights’ now and they’re all doing 130. I'm not saying they all would, but there would be less catching/passing. It's considerably harder to make up that 10 second gap in slower classes, and the difference between a really fast guy and a pretty fast guy translates to a smaller number of seconds. It's why "slow" car series (e.g. Clio Cup) have much closer racing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesypeas Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 Just now, HeliX said: I'm not saying they all would, but there would be less catching/passing. It's considerably harder to make up that 10 second gap in slower classes, and the difference between a really fast guy and a pretty fast guy translates to a smaller number of seconds. It's why "slow" car series (e.g. Clio Cup) have much closer racing. Yeah, you could be right, could be wrong. How would it affect the attractiveness of the event? Who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, Amadeus said: The TT is being commercialised to fuck right now. This. And maybe we should be asking exactly why and who the main beneficiaries are? Because amongst other things, when it gets to the stage that competitors are being sent out with suspect, if not known, defective tyres it's time some questions were asked. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 8 minutes ago, cheesypeas said: Yeah, you could be right, could be wrong. How would it affect the attractiveness of the event? Who knows. If for some unusual reason it turned out to be wrong, that needn't be a blocker for improving safety by using slower bikes - just set them off at bigger intervals. Already lowered the number of starters, so it wouldn't take up more time. F1 seems to manage to maintain its draw despite cars being made intentionally slower - as long as the racing is close. Which it should be if slower bikes were used. It could still lose some appeal from a spectacle POV but I'm willing to take that risk. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amadeus Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 The bikes are certainly getting too fast. This lap record fetishism has to stop. I don’t give a fuck what lap time the winner records. I care that all who start the race end the day alive. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 (edited) 18 minutes ago, HeliX said: If for some unusual reason it turned out to be wrong, that needn't be a blocker for improving safety by using slower bikes - just set them off at bigger intervals. Already lowered the number of starters, so it wouldn't take up more time. F1 seems to manage to maintain its draw despite cars being made intentionally slower - as long as the racing is close. Which it should be if slower bikes were used. It could still lose some appeal from a spectacle POV but I'm willing to take that risk. I have to admit that it is a conundrum, some of the worst fatal injuries I have ever seen were sustained in a crash involving a 125cc machine, capable of around 130 mph. The poor guy was just unlucky in that he fell heavily from a great height after being catapulted off his bike when he lost control. The fatality today was on a much lower powered machine, around 140bhp, compared to around 220/230bhp of a Superbike. I'm always dubious about claims that the bigger capacities are more dangerous, you can use the power by not pushing too hard on the tighter bends, whereas on a lower powered machine, if you want to win, you need to ride hard and close to the limit continuously. Edited June 6, 2022 by Max Power Spelling 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 It is immoral because we hold these races even though we KNOW that people will be killed! It is immoral because we hold these races for financial benefit for the Island! What circuit holds a race meeting wondering how many will be killed? I would suggest none? ...but we do! That it is done in 'our name' , to put money in our pockets, without our input makes it even more immoral! Speed? Reducing speed to reduce the death rate? At what speed does the human body survive a blunt force impact? 60, 80, 120??? I would suggest it is no more than 60, is anyone suggesting that racing speeds could be reduced to that??? It's a non starter. The only way to reduce the death/misery rate is to stop the races, financially we will survive and be of the higher moral high ground for doing so! OK, the Govt claim 3-5 mill profit from the races, let them spend the next 3 years profit on safety measures, if that doesn't reduce the death/misery rate, then end the races, claim the high ground, say 'look at us' we've stopped these races because of the unacceptable death rate! We win? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 13 minutes ago, Amadeus said: This lap record fetishism has to stop. I don’t give a fuck what lap time the winner records. This is being recognised by past and present competitors including Dave Molyneux on TV (as posted previously) and some others I'm acquainted with. They all say the same thing, largely. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 20 minutes ago, HeliX said: improving safety by using slower bikes - just set them As I say above, how much slower would these 'safer bikes' need to be??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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