Hooly Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Banker said: No but the hotels were getting paid per room when closed plus salaries support & rates support The fact they were getting paid per room, no matter what their capacity would have been normally, is an absolute shambles. I'd bet 90% of hotels did better with covid than without! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 I think TT Zero will become irrelevant shortly, this could be the future for many things... Zero Emissions Fuel by 2024 for MotoGP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramseyboi Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 20 minutes ago, Max Power said: I think TT Zero will become irrelevant shortly, this could be the future for many things... Zero Emissions Fuel by 2024 for MotoGP What a load of shit. The carbon footprint of developing that and then building and running factories/refineries or whatever they would be to produce enough of it to make a global impact will be massive. Just another example of shifting the problem elsewhere. It will never replace petrol at a global scale so what is the point? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooly Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 20 minutes ago, Ramseyboi said: What a load of shit. The carbon footprint of developing that and then building and running factories/refineries or whatever they would be to produce enough of it to make a global impact will be massive. Just another example of shifting the problem elsewhere. It will never replace petrol at a global scale so what is the point? You talk some garbage. how do they make petrol now? O yeah, refineries and factories. Nuclear power: mining for uranium. Disposing of nuclear waste. Electric cars: cobalt mining, disposal of batteries, power stations to charge the car So whats the point of doing anything because everything has an affect somewhere in the line. But the point is reducing the overall footprint. We're not going to get away from making pollutants in a manufacture process of millions of items for tens of years yet, but if the manufacture process is the only stage that CO2 is pumped out, great. Its much better than pumping it out in the end product too Fossil fuels are a finite resource, so whether or not you care about the environment, its going to run out and we need to find alternatives so we can continue to use it for what we absolutely need it for. Synthetic fuels is absolutely a way forward Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joebean Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 35 minutes ago, Max Power said: I think TT Zero will become irrelevant shortly, this could be the future for many things... Zero Emissions Fuel by 2024 for MotoGP The MotoGP announcement is a bit short on detail. It does say that the new fuel will power standard internal combustion engines but many questions remain unanswered. It is, currently unlikely that sufficient quantities of such a fuel will be available to power engines in general use and, I suspect the cost of this specially provided fuel will be high. In the world of MotoGP, things are very different to the world of TT. The bikes in MotoGP are built particularly for that purpose and are very expensive to produce and run; they are specialised machines. The sums of money required for racing in MotoGP are very high and the opportunity to acquire high value sponsorship is also much greater. Events within road-racing, which use more production spec machinery and have a much lower cost base, with fairly limited sponsorship incomes are not in a position to invest in high-end, high cost specialised machinery or to incur the high running costs of this specialised machines. I suspect that special fuels are not going to be affordable and that production machinery will not be available to use it. There still are high performance bikes being made and sold by the major manufacturers but these are becoming increasingly niche as sales are becoming focussed on smaller-capacity, more fuel-efficient and more practical bikes. It is unlikely that the major manufacturers are going to continue to invest a lot of money and effort into pure sports-based machinery, particularly in an environment where everything is pointing away from sports bikes towards greener, cheaper and less risky 2-wheeled transport. Looking to the future, the TT, in its current form faces many challenges. I don't see the creation of carbon-free fuel for MotoGP being the answer to many of them, at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 1 hour ago, joebean said: The MotoGP announcement is a bit short on detail. It does say that the new fuel will power standard internal combustion engines but many questions remain unanswered. It is, currently unlikely that sufficient quantities of such a fuel will be available to power engines in general use and, I suspect the cost of this specially provided fuel will be high. In the world of MotoGP, things are very different to the world of TT. The bikes in MotoGP are built particularly for that purpose and are very expensive to produce and run; they are specialised machines. The sums of money required for racing in MotoGP are very high and the opportunity to acquire high value sponsorship is also much greater. Events within road-racing, which use more production spec machinery and have a much lower cost base, with fairly limited sponsorship incomes are not in a position to invest in high-end, high cost specialised machinery or to incur the high running costs of this specialised machines. I suspect that special fuels are not going to be affordable and that production machinery will not be available to use it. There still are high performance bikes being made and sold by the major manufacturers but these are becoming increasingly niche as sales are becoming focussed on smaller-capacity, more fuel-efficient and more practical bikes. It is unlikely that the major manufacturers are going to continue to invest a lot of money and effort into pure sports-based machinery, particularly in an environment where everything is pointing away from sports bikes towards greener, cheaper and less risky 2-wheeled transport. Looking to the future, the TT, in its current form faces many challenges. I don't see the creation of carbon-free fuel for MotoGP being the answer to many of them, at all. VW Group are working on a fuel to power sports cars and bikes, probably to be marketed by Porsche and Ducati. As you say, probably expensive too! I guess it will be interesting to see where this leads as I'm far from convinced that EVs are a long term answer, for many reasons based on their current (pardon the pun) performance and technology. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joebean Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 7 hours ago, Max Power said: VW Group are working on a fuel to power sports cars and bikes, probably to be marketed by Porsche and Ducati. As you say, probably expensive too! I guess it will be interesting to see where this leads as I'm far from convinced that EVs are a long term answer, for many reasons based on their current (pardon the pun) performance and technology. I think that TT Zero demonstrated that, for racing motorcycles at least, battery power will not be the answer, particularly in endurance events. If motorcycle racing were to use batteries, the events would have to change significantly to meet battery performance. It would not, for example be like the TT we know. At the moment, I have no idea what the future of motorcycle racing is and what will fuel it. That is why I would put the TT in the “future uncertain” category and exercise caution about future financial investment; but there again I am not a politician or working in Government…. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightening McQueen Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 As an aside, did anyone watch the Panorama programme last night, on the Cobalt mining for batteries? Quire disturbing. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc.fixit Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 Shh! the greenies will get ya. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Blonde Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Lightening McQueen said: As an aside, did anyone watch the Panorama programme last night, on the Cobalt mining for batteries? Quire disturbing. Yes, a very disturbing programme. But as @doc.fixitthe greenies won't like it! It's a shame the island doesn't have any reserves of cobalt under Laxey and Foxdale - we could let them strip mind it to their heart's content! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Happier diner Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 3 hours ago, joebean said: I think that TT Zero demonstrated that, for racing motorcycles at least, battery power will not be the answer, particularly in endurance events. If motorcycle racing were to use batteries, the events would have to change significantly to meet battery performance. It would not, for example be like the TT we know. At the moment, I have no idea what the future of motorcycle racing is and what will fuel it. That is why I would put the TT in the “future uncertain” category and exercise caution about future financial investment; but there again I am not a politician or working in Government…. I can't see the difference between having to put a new battery in every 2 laps to having to refuel every 2 laps 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 23 minutes ago, Happier diner said: I can't see the difference between having to put a new battery in every 2 laps to having to refuel every 2 laps When they can get a battery to last two laps and some sort of quick release maybe? Currently, the battery is so large that it is part of the structural integrity of some of these machines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Max Power said: When they can get a battery to last two laps and some sort of quick release maybe? Currently, the battery is so large that it is part of the structural integrity of some of these machines. That's the idea of teams developing the science. They could do it if they needed to. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyJoe Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 12 hours ago, Max Power said: VW Group are working on a fuel to power sports cars and bikes, probably to be marketed by Porsche and Ducati. As you say, probably expensive too! I guess it will be interesting to see where this leads as I'm far from convinced that EVs are a long term answer, for many reasons based on their current (pardon the pun) performance and technology. Synthetic methanol which is converted into 'eFuel'? Construction begins on world’s first integrated commercial plant for producing nearly CO₂-neutral fuel in Chile (volkswagenag.com) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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