Declan Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 12 minutes ago, Cambon said: It is estimated that 10 people die every year training for the London marathon. One or two die during or immediately after the event. Sometimes they get a mention. No call to ban the marathon. That's rather a facile argument as is the mountaineering one. We accept that there will be a degree of risk in everything we do. It's impossible to eliminate completely. The issue with the TT is whether the risk is too high. The death rate is for marathon running is 0.8 per 100K, what's the TT's 1 in 250? Somebody said more people die walking in the Lake District but the Lakes get 15 million visitors a year, compared to a few hundred TT riders. And of course for the majority of participants there are health benefits to walking that motorbike riding doesn't have. Is the risk inherent in this event too great? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sausages Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 That’s what rob was thinking after that red flag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 12 minutes ago, Declan said: Is the risk inherent in this event too great? No 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 9 minutes ago, Roxanne said: OK. As we're now quoting deaths from different sources, allow me to mention the amount of preventable deaths that occur in hospitals across the world. In 2015, 750 preventable deaths a month occurred in hospitals across the UK In 2019 22% of deaths in hospitals in the UK were deemed preventable. The number of preventable inpatient deaths in the USA is commonly estimated as between 44,000 and 98,000 deaths annually. Going to hospital is risky. Given the amount of preventable deaths after being admitted to hospital it can be assumed that being in hospital for large amount of people is more risky than not being in hospital. If hospitals were a private business they would go bust given the amount of preventable deaths that occur there - and yet - when we're sick - that's where we go - not always knowing the risks involved. Life IS risky. All areas of life are risky. Crossing the road, fishing, climbing mountains, taking drugs, playing sports, is risky. We do our own risk assessments and act accordingly. We make our choices. Live and let live - or let die - we cannot hide from it. At least the men and women who take part in the races know the risks - a lot of our life choices are built on never even knowing what those risks are. You could have saved that one for 2023...DOH! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swoopy2110 Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 "TT organisers "now believe it was César Chanal who died at the scene of the accident on Saturday 4th June. Olivier remains in a critical condition and continues to receive treatment." " -- "On Saturday 4th June during the opening lap of the first Sidecar Race of the 2022 Isle of Man TT Races, an accident at Ago’s Leap involving outfit number 21 of César Chanal and Olivier Lavorel resulted in the death of one of the competitors. The race was stopped with the deployment of full-course red flags, and medical personnel, a Travelling Marshal, and the emergency services were immediately dispatched to the scene. One of the competitors sustained injuries that would not support life and was sadly declared dead at the scene. The second competitor was unconscious with severe injuries. The injured competitor was treated at the roadside before being transferred to Noble’s Hospital, and then airlifted to a specialist hospital in Liverpool to receive treatment. An initial identification procedure was conducted using established procedures and would appear to have resulted in a mistaken identification. We now believe it was César Chanal who died at the scene of the accident on Saturday 4th June. Olivier remains in a critical condition and continues to receive treatment. Both competitors’ families have been informed. A thorough review of the processes relating to the identification of competitors will take place in due course. Our thoughts are with the family and loved ones of both Olivier and César at this truly devastating time. We ask that people do not speculate on social media." -- https://www.three.fm/news/isle-of-man-news/tt-organisers-believe-it-was-cesar-chanal-who-died-on-saturday-olivier-remains-in-a-critical-condition/?fbclid=IwAR0Q8lxC_CHN4nlh9EvhYn-q5oWrezIgVwG3cWXBpybHUJxZDJ0DRl1JKCI WTF 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gagster Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 (edited) Incredible news just now... TT organisers of announced that they have mis-identified the sidecar rider that died on Saturday evening. It is in fact César Chanal that died, whereas Olivier Lavorel was airlifted to Noble's Hospital, and then flown to Aintree University Hospital. Edited June 8, 2022 by Gagster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 Just now, Roxanne said: I'm not sure I agree. Despite everything I've said in support I think the whole thing has become too focussed on speed. The roads aren't up to it. They never were but they're much worse now than before. Lowering the speed or the size of the machines would go someway to lowering the risk but it might also affect how many want to race and how many will come to see. This is the issue with government backing - it's not a healthy partnership. Oh, I do think slower bike classes should be used. But the racers aren't thick, the obvious barometer for whether it's too risky or not is are they still entering? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Roxanne said: What the actual fuck indeed. Gawd. One job they had. One job. I thought the same initially. However if you've got two competitors on the same machine, wearing matching leathers, neither conscious and I doubt they are wearing dog tags, then without someone from the team/family confirming who was who, it's kind of understandable. Edited June 8, 2022 by The Phantom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chief Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, swoopy2110 said: "TT organisers "now believe it was César Chanal who died at the scene of the accident on Saturday 4th June. Olivier remains in a critical condition and continues to receive treatment." " -- "On Saturday 4th June during the opening lap of the first Sidecar Race of the 2022 Isle of Man TT Races, an accident at Ago’s Leap involving outfit number 21 of César Chanal and Olivier Lavorel resulted in the death of one of the competitors. The race was stopped with the deployment of full-course red flags, and medical personnel, a Travelling Marshal, and the emergency services were immediately dispatched to the scene. One of the competitors sustained injuries that would not support life and was sadly declared dead at the scene. The second competitor was unconscious with severe injuries. The injured competitor was treated at the roadside before being transferred to Noble’s Hospital, and then airlifted to a specialist hospital in Liverpool to receive treatment. An initial identification procedure was conducted using established procedures and would appear to have resulted in a mistaken identification. We now believe it was César Chanal who died at the scene of the accident on Saturday 4th June. Olivier remains in a critical condition and continues to receive treatment. Both competitors’ families have been informed. A thorough review of the processes relating to the identification of competitors will take place in due course. Our thoughts are with the family and loved ones of both Olivier and César at this truly devastating time. We ask that people do not speculate on social media." -- https://www.three.fm/news/isle-of-man-news/tt-organisers-believe-it-was-cesar-chanal-who-died-on-saturday-olivier-remains-in-a-critical-condition/?fbclid=IwAR0Q8lxC_CHN4nlh9EvhYn-q5oWrezIgVwG3cWXBpybHUJxZDJ0DRl1JKCI WTF WTF this is shambolic, someone should get fired over this. if i fucked up this badly in my post i would be getting the sack. Edited June 8, 2022 by The Chief 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0bserver Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 Fuck me you TT lot have really fucked up this time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 4 minutes ago, HeliX said: Oh, I do think slower bike classes should be used. But the racers aren't thick, the obvious barometer for whether it's too risky or not is are they still entering? I wonder whether there's something neurological that makes them perceive risk differently. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gagster Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, The Phantom said: I thought the same initially. H owever if you've got two competitors on the same machine, wearing matching leathers, neither conscious and I doubt they are wearing dog tags, then without someone from the team/family confirming who was who, it's kind of understandable. Some consideration should be given to find a better way in that case. Incredible that Olivier's family will now be receiving the news that he isn't in fact dead - but will have had absolute heartache for the last 4 days or so. If I recall correctly, one of the organisers first announcements at the time was that the race would be re-scheduled and details will be issued as soon as possible. Perhaps they should have focussed more on the riders they were dealing with rather than the TT schedule. Edited June 8, 2022 by Gagster 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0bserver Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 2 minutes ago, Youaintseenme said: Maybe keep quiet until you actually know what’s happened eh? We know what's happened. What you want is everyone to stay quiet until it all goes away. Not this time. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chief Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 2 minutes ago, Youaintseenme said: Maybe keep quiet until you actually know what’s happened eh? jesus fucking christ do you realise how bad this makes us and i mean the whole island look. The statement is there to read from the organisers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 3 minutes ago, The Phantom said: I thought the same initially. However if you've got two competitors on the same machine, wearing matching leathers, neither conscious and I doubt they are wearing dog tags, then without someone from the team/family confirming who was who, it's kind of understandable. Briefly, in the moment. But not before you're informing families. Wouldn't medics need to establish identity for transfusions etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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