0bserver Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 Just now, Youaintseenme said: Doesn’t explain how there was a mixup does it? That will come out in a few weeks It doesn't need to. The result is the result. A surviving person was declared dead and now a family that thought their person had survived have been told "oh sorry we got it the wrong way round". Incompetence is not a great look when you're dealing with death in the international media spotlight. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AOR Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 5 minutes ago, The Phantom said: Some military friends have had their blood types tatto'd on their arms. I think you'd have to agree that that was more for a display of bravado type of thing. Are they the same ones that had their tattoos crossed out in case the enemy captured them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 7 minutes ago, The Phantom said: Plus they were brothers, so probably same blood types? Some military friends have had their blood types tatto'd on their arms. They weren't brothers. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 15 minutes ago, Roxanne said: Is it though? is it really? Just because you understand how something has happened doesn't mean you necessarily agree or condone it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 5 minutes ago, Youaintseenme said: Do we? I have not seen any official news on what has happened or why. You're not looking hard enough STATEMENT ON BEHALF OF THE ISLE OF MAN TT RACES On Saturday 4th June during the opening lap of the first Sidecar Race of the 2022 Isle of Man TT Races, an accident at Ago’s Leap involving outfit number 21 of César Chanal and Olivier Lavorel resulted in the death of one of the competitors. The race was stopped with the deployment of full-course red flags, and medical personnel, a Travelling Marshal, and the emergency services were immediately dispatched to the scene. One of the competitors sustained injuries that would not support life and was sadly declared dead at the scene. The second competitor was unconscious with severe injuries. The injured competitor was treated at the roadside before being transferred to Noble’s Hospital, and then airlifted to a specialist hospital in Liverpool to receive treatment. An initial identification procedure was conducted using established procedures and would appear to have resulted in a mistaken identification. We now believe it was César Chanal who died at the scene of the accident on Saturday 4th June. Olivier remains in a critical condition and continues to receive treatment. Both competitors’ families have been informed. A thorough review of the processes relating to the identification of competitors will take place in due course. Our thoughts are with the family and loved ones of both Olivier and César at this truly devastating time. We ask that people do not speculate on social media. DATE: 8TH JUNE 2022 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 8 minutes ago, The Phantom said: Plus they were brothers, so probably same blood types? Wasn’t aware they were brothers. But, even if they were No, siblings don't necessarily have the same blood type. It depends on the genotype of both the parents for the gene determining the blood type. E.g. Parents with the genotype AO and BO can have offspring with blood type A, B, AB or O. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annoymouse Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 (edited) Wow, that is absolutely shocking, the timescale is also huge, this isn’t a matter of a few hours but days after the incident, so one family has been grieving when they could’ve been getting transport etc sorted to see their loved one who has been fighting for their life in hospital. Another family has been given false hope their loved one is in hospital when actually they died at the scene? Has someone from the family actually bad to identify the body and say it’s the wrong person? Wow, just wow, isn’t any medical information held on file? I’d expect thing like height, weight, blood type and any identifying marks like birthmarks/tattoos to be held on file. Edited June 8, 2022 by Annoymouse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrighty Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 8 minutes ago, The Phantom said: Plus they were brothers, so probably same blood types? Some military friends have had their blood types tatto'd on their arms. Were they? Different names. Anyway, genetics of blood type doesn’t work that way. Depending on parental match, it could be as low as 25% chance that siblings have the same type. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 12 minutes ago, Weliveinhope said: I realise forums are for debate but this has gone full circle enough times for it to be a bit pointless now. There are two sides to every healthy debate and this surely has run its course for another year. But going round and round in giant circles is what the TT is all about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 2 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: We now believe it was César Chanal who died at the scene of the accident on Saturday 4th June. Olivier remains in a critical condition and continues to receive treatment. DATE: 8TH JUNE 2022 They only believe or they know? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 3 minutes ago, Declan said: They weren't brothers. 2 minutes ago, John Wright said: Wasn’t aware they were brothers. But, even if they were No, siblings don't necessarily have the same blood type. It depends on the genotype of both the parents for the gene determining the blood type. E.g. Parents with the genotype AO and BO can have offspring with blood type A, B, AB or O. 1 minute ago, wrighty said: Were they? Different names. Anyway, genetics of blood type doesn’t work that way. Depending on parental match, it could be as low as 25% chance that siblings have the same type. Ah apologies, I was sure someone told me they were brothers. And yes I know it's not 100% same blood type if brothers, but more likely to be. Hence the ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newsdesk Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 10 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: And now "mistaken identity" of the deceased. This gets worse. As I said yesterday when the full events finally get reported on you might find that it’s easier to understand how mistaken identity could occur. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 Just now, The Phantom said: Ah apologies, I was sure someone told me they were brothers. And yes I know it's not 100% same blood type if brothers, but more likely to be. Hence the ? I think the one intially reported to have died was described as the brother of a previous competitor. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 4 minutes ago, Annoymouse said: Wow, just wow, isn’t any medical information held on file? I’d expect thing like height, weight, blood type and any identifying marks like birthmarks/tattoos to be held on file. It's plausible that by chance they were the same blood type, and similar height/weight (and nobody is going to be measuring their height whilst they're in critical condition anyway...). But it's also entirely plausible that it was a colossal fuck-up of communication and nobody bothered to check/relay information from the TT side after the transfer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newsdesk Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 14 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: And now "mistaken identity" of the deceased. This gets worse. It will be easier to understand why this could happen once the events are finally reported on. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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