TT 2022 ??

[HeliX]

I think it goes without saying that you shouldn't announce someone's death unless you're very fucking sure that they're the person who's dead, though.

[Annoymouse]

1 minute ago, HeliX said:

It's plausible that by chance they were the same blood type, and similar height/weight (and nobody is going to be measuring their height whilst they're in critical condition anyway...).

But it's also entirely plausible that it was a colossal fuck-up of communication and nobody bothered to check/relay information from the TT side after the transfer.

But this isn’t just a failure from TT organisers announcing the wrong person died, this is a failure from two hospitals who failed to identify a patient correctly.

 

 

[HeliX]

2 minutes ago, Annoymouse said:

But this isn’t just a failure from TT organisers announcing the wrong person died, this is a failure from two hospitals who failed to identify a patient correctly.

Not necessarily - they may have identified them just fine, but it was the TT organisers who did the press...

[0bserver]

1 minute ago, Annoymouse said:

But this isn’t just a failure from TT organisers announcing the wrong person died, this is a failure from two hospitals who failed to identify a patient correctly.

 

 

Don't try and drag the emergency services into this. 

They don't ask to be presented with smashed up bodies that hit walls at 150mph. They do the best in the macabre carnival of death that IOM Government promote. 

The organisers should have failsafe ways to ID bodies - dog tags, helmet labels, labels on leathers. 

[HeliX]

Just now, Youaintseenme said:

Which is possibly why they try and stop people hounding for info on social media before making an announcement.

Take too long and people complain because they want all the gory details.

Get pressures to get the news out quickly and make an error and the same people hound you wanting to know why a mistake was made

Agreed. It won't give any of the "they should release info immediately!" brigade any pause for thought though.

[The Lurker]

I think that Newsdesk is clearly in possession of some knowledge of what has actually gone wrong with the identification.
 

If it’s the same as I’ve heard I would suggest that those slamming the organisers and officials wind their collective necks in to avoid an embarrassing climb down when the full facts come out. 

[Newsdesk]

4 minutes ago, Annoymouse said:

But this isn’t just a failure from TT organisers announcing the wrong person died, this is a failure from two hospitals who failed to identify a patient correctly.

That might well be understandable in the circumstances. Which makes the fact that at the same time we had idiots wandering around the grandstand posing for selfies even more perplexing. 

[Mysteron]

23 minutes ago, Youaintseenme said:

Doesn’t explain how there was a mixup does it?  That will come out in a few weeks

You mean in much the same way it did after the Mercer incident?

Edited June 8, 2022 by Mysteron

[FlissPaps]

I've got it on good authority that this 'mistaken identity' incident is going to be high up the national broadcast news this evening, not a good look for the TT, and so much worse for those poor families and friends. 

[Roger Mexico]

10 minutes ago, Annoymouse said:

Wow, that is absolutely shocking, the timescale is also huge, this isn’t a matter of a few hours but days after the incident, so one family has been grieving when they could’ve been getting transport etc sorted to see their loved one who has been fighting for their life in hospital. Another family has been given false hope their loved one is in hospital when actually they died at the scene?

The statement I quoted wasn't timed but appears to have been released at about 11:30 am (3FM's piece is from 11:37).  But the tweet from the family member must have been made about 10 hours ago - which led to everyone (including the new media) assuming that he had died in Aintree and this was an extra death.  So the families knew by then and the organisers must have known before that even.  So they have sat on this and allowed misinformation to spread and are only now releasing what they know (and telling everyone to shut up about it). 

[Annoymouse]

2 minutes ago, HeliX said:

Not necessarily - they may have identified them just fine, but it was the TT organisers who did the press...

We’ve had updates since the initial release to say they were still in critical condition in hospital, how would you get that information without speaking to the hospital and asking for updates on the patient?

[Gizo]

Fuck me Youaintseenme, The TT apologists, how can you not see this is a ball drop of the highest order. 

Not only are the IOM govt killing people, they don't even know who they are killing.

Its a fucking shambles. A mockery of a sham.

But the question is did Callister get a photo on social media before they announced then unannounced the deaths.

#262*

 

[John Wright]

6 minutes ago, HeliX said:

I think it goes without saying that you shouldn't announce someone's death unless you're very fucking sure that they're the person who's dead, though.

 

3 minutes ago, Annoymouse said:

But this isn’t just a failure from TT organisers announcing the wrong person died, this is a failure from two hospitals who failed to identify a patient correctly.

 

 

It really isn’t as simple as that, is it?

The organisers wouldn’t have done the identifying themselves.

You've got a dead body and an unconscious patient. Neither can tell you. They’re in identical racing suits/helmets. They’ve been involved in a high impact crash and an intense fire.

The usual procedure would be a family member, assuming that’s not possible if family were in Italy, then a support team member who knew them. Someone will have given a positive identification.

As for the hospitals, they’ll have been given a name. How can they check? It’s unlikely that either had ever been treated before in IoM or Liverpool.

Its very unfortunate, but you can’t blame either the organisers or the hospitals.

[HiVibes]

13 minutes ago, Newsdesk said:

It will be easier to understand why this could happen once the events are finally reported on. 

Well the latest announcement states rather euphemistically.

One of the competitors sustained injuries that would not support life and was sadly declared dead at the scene.

[Lost Login]

It does make you wonder the state each of the two individuals were in if they could not readily be identified.

I am amazed that competitors do not have to have some form of ID etc on them as seem to be required in other sports which are deemed to be risky. Compete on a horse in a cross country event and it is obligatory to wear an arm band with various details on it including I think blood group.