Bandits Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 5 hours ago, Passing Time said: Here's a thought people, no matter what you think about the TT be it pro or anti, just remember a mother is now grieving over the loss of her husband and son. Take a day off and leave the one upmanship until another day. And who hasn’t made acknowledgment of that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 (edited) 56 minutes ago, HeliX said: I don't think there are any points where the fast boys aren't giving it their all on the big bikes now though. I think looking at one TT in isolation is a pretty sizeable mistake. I think it's worth looking at what the TT is doing, it was always touted as a sales exercise as its raison d'étre - so let's look at the classes. 1000cc sportsbikes which are a dwindling, tiny percentage of the market. 600cc sports bikes whose market dwindled on sales and emissions grounds so far that the manufacturers don't even make them anymore apart from a limited number for track use. Sidecars, largely 600 powered, based on short-circuit car racing technology but with no relevance to sales of anything, anywhere, other than racing sidecars. Supertwins, now dominated by a £50k model from a manufacturer who quotes "limited" numbers of sales of a £30k road-going replica. Interestingly, local veteran Dave Madsen-Mygdal stated during an interview this week that the Supertwins have become the new GP 2 strokes in respect of maintenance and expense following modification rule changes. And this was supposed to be a production-based Budget class? Relevance to sales? Bollocks. We need to look hard at where the TT is going and whose short term, opportunistic hands it is in. Edited June 10, 2022 by Non-Believer extra bit 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: I think it's worth looking at what the TT is doing, it was always touted as a sales exercise as its raison d'étre - so let's look at the classes. 1000cc sportsbikes which are a dwindling, tiny percentage of the market. 600cc sports bikes whose market dwindled on sales and emissions grounds so far that the manufacturers don't even make them anymore apart from a limited number for track use. Sidecars, largely 600 powered, based on short-circuit car racing technology but with no relevance to sales of anything, anywhere, other than racing sidecars. Supertwins, now dominated by a £50k model from a manufacturer who quotes "limited" numbers of sales of a £30k road-going replica. Relevance to sales? Bollocks. We need to look hard at where the TT is going and whose short term, opportunistic hands it is in. Middle-weight nakeds if they want to represent the population... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandits Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Gizo said: I believe High Admiral Watterson isn’t exactly a fan, tbh he’d probably be the only MHK who could survive a thorough TT “discussion “. Temperatures are high. Someone has to say something. Two sidecar teams taken out at exactly the same spot within a few days of each other. You can even feel social media turning. They can’t front this out as usual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysteron Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 56 minutes ago, Bandits said: Temperatures are high. Someone has to say something. Two sidecar teams taken out at exactly the same spot within a few days of each other. You can even feel social media turning. They can’t front this out as usual. Wanna bet? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0bserver Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 7 hours ago, HeliX said: What, you want the TT stopped? You should've said! No fella, I want an end to the deaths. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 36 minutes ago, 0bserver said: No fella, I want an end to the deaths. have a word with putin ,much worse than here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiVibes Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 5 minutes ago, WTF said: have a word with putin ,much worse than here. not sure Putin is doing it for the sake of a few burger vans. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoTail Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 8 minutes ago, WTF said: have a word with putin ,much worse than here. Does he sell t-shirts and jackets as well? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0bserver Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 11 minutes ago, WTF said: have a word with putin ,much worse than here. #Putin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 8 hours ago, Non-Believer said: Many riders have now and in the past opted for their Superstock-spec machinery for both the Superbike and Senior races. Reasons given are that they are invariably easier to ride through less power. That’s a no then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sausages Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 Just off the phone with Putin. He said the TT is barbaric, and he’s a big fan. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0bserver Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 I think we would find if something was done to reduce the level of fatalities and critical injuries then almost all opposition to the TT would disappear. But if you ask an MHK what level of fatalities are acceptable to them, they will not answer. Sure you'll never make it 100% 'safe' but surely we all agree that 5 deaths and on critical injury isn't 'acceptable'? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, 0bserver said: I think we would find if something was done to reduce the level of fatalities and critical injuries then almost all opposition to the TT would disappear. But if you ask an MHK what level of fatalities are acceptable to them, they will not answer. Sure you'll never make it 100% 'safe' but surely we all agree that 5 deaths and on critical injury isn't 'acceptable'? the participants find the risks 'acceptable' Edited June 11, 2022 by WTF 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0bserver Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 1 minute ago, WTF said: the participants find the risks 'acceptable' Good for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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