Max Power Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 7 minutes ago, James Blonde said: Not really. The blurb in the article talks about learning from each 'accident', that can only be done with proper analysis as is done by the police on the public highway. If that were to manifest in real life it would mean no more chucking bodies under tarps in people's front gardens. That's not happened for about twenty years anyway, since the Swedish guy lost his way in Kirk Michael. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 5 minutes ago, Max Power said: That's not happened for about twenty years anyway, since the Swedish guy lost his way in Kirk Michael. That was never twenty years ago! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 12 minutes ago, finlo said: That was never twenty years ago! You're right, almost 17 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Johnson Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 2 hours ago, Derek Flint said: I suspect the insurers will have had a massive influence on this, but to have an expert in aviation safety and a world authority in pre-hospital Care lead this is a once in a generation opportunity. And them both being Manx has ensured they have been listened to. Many others have banged on about these issues and never been listened to. They just need to sort out safety on the open roads now, and we’ve cracked it. https://www.iomttraces.com/latest/features/better-safe-than-sorry/ Lets hope so, they will get it stopped too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Johnson Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 50 minutes ago, Max Power said: It's a bit late for safety once that's happened. Seriously Max, you are a good poster and you come across as being intelligent. BUT 🙂 Improving safety, anywhere, in any circumstance, always should take into account how it can be improved using accidents, old and recent, to lead that improvement. For example when that F1 driver was killed by hitting a fork lift on the circuit picking up another crashed car, F1 introduced new rules to stop this happening again. They stopped forklifts being on the course at the same time as cars even if they are under yellow flags. The TT for a simple fix could at least remove all the sheep fencing on the mountain at the side of the road that has a tendency to remove riders heads, quite cleanly i give you, and my late Father witnessed this. fyi removing heads is a French thing, we should not still be doing it. Another simple fix would be installing proper crash barriers at known points on the course where accidents happen. Putting a few sheets of fuck1ng plywood in these places not only shows a lack of understanding of crash impact dynamics but also I would put a liability on the organisers for such half arsed measures. While I am trying to save life, do not ever let schoolchildren on the pit straight work any type of "scoreboard" which while I am on a blast 🙂 seems a totally stupid name for a display that does not show "Scores" only positions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A fool and his money..... Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Boris Johnson said: Lets hope so, they will get it stopped too. Jesus, how dull do you have to be to actually want to live in a world where what you can and can't do is decided by what an insurance company thinks will maximise its profits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joebean Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Boris Johnson said: Another simple fix would be installing proper crash barriers at known points on the course where accidents happen. Putting a few sheets of fuck1ng plywood in these places not only shows a lack of understanding of crash impact dynamics but also I would put a liability on the organisers for such half arsed measures. I think you are misunderstanding what the plywood is meant to do. It has nothing to do with absorbing impact but is positioned in places where a rider or machine can be deflected down the course rather than into a position of sudden stop. That’s how I see it from where it is positioned. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 4 hours ago, Boris Johnson said: Seriously Max, you are a good poster and you come across as being intelligent. BUT 🙂 Improving safety, anywhere, in any circumstance, always should take into account how it can be improved using accidents, old and recent, to lead that improvement. For example when that F1 driver was killed by hitting a fork lift on the circuit picking up another crashed car, F1 introduced new rules to stop this happening again. They stopped forklifts being on the course at the same time as cars even if they are under yellow flags. The TT for a simple fix could at least remove all the sheep fencing on the mountain at the side of the road that has a tendency to remove riders heads, quite cleanly i give you, and my late Father witnessed this. fyi removing heads is a French thing, we should not still be doing it. Another simple fix would be installing proper crash barriers at known points on the course where accidents happen. Putting a few sheets of fuck1ng plywood in these places not only shows a lack of understanding of crash impact dynamics but also I would put a liability on the organisers for such half arsed measures. While I am trying to save life, do not ever let schoolchildren on the pit straight work any type of "scoreboard" which while I am on a blast 🙂 seems a totally stupid name for a display that does not show "Scores" only positions. I agree with you, I was only pointing out that the aftermath is too late to be considering arrangements for the removal of a body, or even if the event should continue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pipsqueak Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 13 hours ago, joebean said: I think you are misunderstanding what the plywood is meant to do. It has nothing to do with absorbing impact but is positioned in places where a rider or machine can be deflected down the course rather than into a position of sudden stop. That’s how I see it from where it is positioned. a good example of which is where milky took a bad tumble at ballaspur. it is also painted white so easier to see. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hissingsid Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 Apart from the Doctor and Rob there seems a lack of certainty being expressed by other Ministers as to whether it will happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2112 Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 4 hours ago, hissingsid said: Apart from the Doctor and Rob there seems a lack of certainty being expressed by other Ministers as to whether it will happen. I think it will be cancelled with the aim of a Classic TT/FOM/MGP taking place two months later, which gives IOMG and others time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightening McQueen Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 We could offer anyone coming a discount, if they’ll muck in with the construction of the new terminal while queuing for the boat! 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itsmeee Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 It can’t go ahead while there are any border restrictions. Can you imagine the chaos at the sea terminal, trying to process a boat load of bikers? Can you imagine the bureaucracy involved in the vaccination exemption process for c50k visitors? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Helmut Fromage Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 Today’s big news the TT’s biggest supporter / manufacturer announces almost 50 year old rider whose best years were 2005 / 2006 and a newcomer- - the games up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hissingsid Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 The photo Manx Radio used was at least 20 years out of date…….typical lazy media. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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