TT 2022 ??

[ManxTaxPayer]

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Edited January 11, 2022 by ManxTaxPayer

[joebean]

19 minutes ago, hissingsid said:

Everyone is not responsible one person who made a wrong decision is.

There speaks a person who has never made a bad decision 🙄If you had ever worked in an operational environment you would understand that people make bad judgements or do the wrong thing for a whole variety of reasons, often to do with unique circumstances of events or the weaknesses in the operational environment. The TT has inherent risks due to the nature of the activity itself and the environment it has to operate in. The Government is prepared to accept these risks and the risk management of the TT has increased greatly in the last 10 years or so. The scandal would arise if the weaknesses identified in the investigation of this incident were not corrected, as far as possible; not from finding one person to blame and pursuing just that. Some of the comments here just evidence a lack of operational experience and limited thinking about taking the real issues forward. It helps if you don’t have a pre-existing agenda as well. 
There is evidence of further efforts to improve the management of risk, which we should find encouraging. 

[Max Power]

Usually in cases where something goes seriously wrong, there is no single cause. An unusual and unpredicted set of circumstances arises and contributes to the whole thing. Taken in hindsight you may probably have done one thing differently, but it's unlikely that you would have eliminated every contributing factor and prevented the occurrence completely. That's the purpose of an inquiry afterwards.  

[hissingsid]

So mistakes have been learned …..blah blah satisfies you I doubt Mercer will feel the same and neither should he.   The TT is the sacred cow according to some people that should never be criticised, well it ain’t.

[Kopek]

Have our Govt seen the ACU inquiry results? Would seem to be a necessity for improvements to be made. 

[joebean]

26 minutes ago, hissingsid said:

So mistakes have been learned …..blah blah satisfies you I doubt Mercer will feel the same and neither should he.   The TT is the sacred cow according to some people that should never be criticised, well it ain’t.

Honestly, you ought to stop posting on this subject as you are just making a fool of yourself. Nobody said it shouldn’t be criticised. Criticism can be helpful. Making ill-informed comments and seeking scapegoats is not. I suppose it depends on whether you want the TT to operate as safely as possible or you just want it to end. If it finished for good I wouldn’t be overly concerned but as it’s likely to continue, it should have decent risk strategies applied to it. The direction of travel, in this regard, seems good. 

[hissingsid]

I am as entitled to my opinion as anyone else and I do not need your permission to express it.   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Boris Johnson]

2 hours ago, joebean said:

There speaks a person who has never made a bad decision 🙄If you had ever worked in an operational environment you would understand that people make bad judgements or do the wrong thing for a whole variety of reasons, often to do with unique circumstances of events or the weaknesses in the operational environment. The TT has inherent risks due to the nature of the activity itself and the environment it has to operate in. The Government is prepared to accept these risks and the risk management of the TT has increased greatly in the last 10 years or so. The scandal would arise if the weaknesses identified in the investigation of this incident were not corrected, as far as possible; not from finding one person to blame and pursuing just that. Some of the comments here just evidence a lack of operational experience and limited thinking about taking the real issues forward. It helps if you don’t have a pre-existing agenda as well. 
There is evidence of further efforts to improve the management of risk, which we should find encouraging. 

What a crock.

This is nothing to do with how dangerous the TT is, that is accepted, as its a killer. A well, very well known fact.

This incident should not have happened, nothing to do with the course danger, this is 100% down to human piss poor planning or more accurately, the lack of it.

[Max Power]

7 minutes ago, Boris Johnson said:

What a crock.

This is nothing to do with how dangerous the TT is, that is accepted, as its a killer. A well, very well known fact.

This incident should not have happened, nothing to do with the course danger, this is 100% down to human piss poor planning or more accurately, the lack of it.

Are you just going to keep shouting bollocks whilst ignoring everything which has been said beforehand, just so that you can push your anti TT agenda? You weren't there to form those opinions, you just spout what other misinformed shouty people say.

 

[Boris Johnson]

26 minutes ago, Max Power said:

Are you just going to keep shouting bollocks whilst ignoring everything which has been said beforehand, just so that you can push your anti TT agenda? You weren't there to form those opinions, you just spout what other misinformed shouty people say.

 

So if it was not human error caused by lack of procedures then what was it? Divine intervention?

[ManxTaxPayer]

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Edited January 11, 2022 by ManxTaxPayer

[Roger Mexico]

9 hours ago, joebean said:

These scandalised comments come from people who don’t know what happened and just want to push their own agenda. This is understandable, to an extent, when the report into the incident has not been published. Publication would have brought clarity but, I surmise, at some cost. I don’t have access to the report and have no involvement in the races. 

Well that's the problem - none of us do.  One thing we're very used to on the Isle of Man is being reassured that "Lessons have been learned" without any details of what the lessons were or who is supposed to have learned them.  So we're entitled to be cynical.

And without those details there's absolutely no proof that they have been learned and that those responsible won't go on to make the same or similar mistakes.  The truth is that such inquiries should be open and swift and not prioritise saving 'reputation' (not that they ever do).

[Happier diner]

35 minutes ago, Boris Johnson said:

So if it was not human error caused by lack of procedures then what was it? Divine intervention?

Human error and bad fortune. 

[Max Power]

41 minutes ago, Boris Johnson said:

So if it was not human error caused by lack of procedures then what was it? Divine intervention?

Why do you say lack of procedures? That indicates that there were no procedures to follow, and therein lies your error, see how easy it is to make one!

[Happier diner]

1 minute ago, Max Power said:

Why do you say lack of procedures? That indicates that there were no procedures to follow, and therein lies your error, see how easy it is to make one!

No procedures! That's one great big human error isn't it?