TT 2022 ??

[Zarley]

10 minutes ago, HeliX said:

Calling it "common" is definitely a rumour. Internal decapitation might be "common", but decaptiation is not.

This. 

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The medical term for internal decapitation is occipitocervical dissociation, which is caused by rupture of the ligaments that connect the skull to the neck. It is often a fatal injury, and in those who survive, severe neurologic deficits are common.

70% of internal decapitation results in immediate death. Those who survive are often left with severe, life-changing injuries. There are the occasionally happy endings.

Although the article I linked to describes this type of injury as rare, I doubt that description takes road-racing motorcyclists on the Isle of Man into account.

[HeliX]

4 minutes ago, wrighty said:

Define “common”. I’ve known of 3 or 4 in my time here. I’d suggest that outside of Islamic State activities, TT is possibly the commonest cause of decapitation. 

3 or 4 complete decapitations? I knew of 1-2 in the last couple of decades (not that I'm about to make any assumptions about your age!). I suppose the definition of "common" is the rub, it's not the end-result in a significant number of the crashes at the event.

 

EDIT: Probably more than a couple of decades actually, I keep forgetting how far into dates starting with "20" we are.

Edited January 6, 2022 by HeliX

[HeliX]

2 minutes ago, Zarley said:

This. 

70% of internal decapitation results in immediate death. Those who survive are often left with severe, life-changing injuries. There are the occasionally happy endings.

Although the article I linked to describes this type of injury as rare, I doubt that description takes road-racing motorcyclists on the Isle of Man into account.

It's also the kindest way to kill a mouse that's been wounded in a trap.

[quilp]

And humans, as Albert Pierrepont noted. 

[A fool and his money.....]

1 hour ago, wrighty said:

Define “common”. I’ve known of 3 or 4 in my time here. I’d suggest that outside of Islamic State activities, TT is possibly the commonest cause of decapitation. 

But have you actually seen them or just been told about them? I personally have seen two crashes in which I was later told ( by people I'd normally trust) that the rider had been decapitated, yet I knew it not to be true. One rider even survived, presumably sewed his head back on?

[Max Power]

1 hour ago, wrighty said:

Define “common”. I’ve known of 3 or 4 in my time here. I’d suggest that outside of Islamic State activities, TT is possibly the commonest cause of decapitation. 

I've known a few, but as far as I'm aware blunt force trauma and neck fractures are the two main causes? Sadly it sometimes doesn't seem to take too much to see someone off, I don't know how I'm still here?   

Edited January 6, 2022 by Max Power

[wrighty]

10 minutes ago, A fool and his money..... said:

But have you actually seen them or just been told about them? I personally have seen two crashes in which I was later told ( by people I'd normally trust) that the rider had been decapitated, yet I knew it not to be true. One rider even survived, presumably sewed his head back on?

Not seen myself - I’m either in the hospital, and these ones don’t get brought in, or well away from the course during racing - but first hand accounts from doctors that do the first-responder type work at the scene. 

[A fool and his money.....]

2 minutes ago, wrighty said:

Not seen myself - I’m either in the hospital, and these ones don’t get brought in, or well away from the course during racing - but first hand accounts from doctors that do the first-responder type work at the scene. 

Ah OK, I didn't think so.

[doc.fixit]

My son was a first responder and totally agrees with Wrighty. It seems that some folk are taking this subject lightly, I refer you to a post I wrote quite a few years ago about the scene that presents itself to first responders, the post includes the phrase , 'a quivering, steaming pile of what was a human being'.

Absolutely horrible but the reality of a first responder!

[hissingsid]

A relative witnessed first hand the incident I am referring to it was 70 years ago and the body and the head were on the stretcher quite separate it was traumatic so say the least.

[paswt]

1 minute ago, hissingsid said:

A relative witnessed first hand the incident I am referring to it was 70 years ago and the body and the head were on the stretcher quite separate it was traumatic so say the least.

I have witnessed/attended  a number of incidents including , sadly , two 'fatals' . 

I  subsequently heard individuals  telling others precisely what happened ( particularly in relation to one of the 'fatals')and when I tried to correct them  was shouted down until I told them that "I  was there " .This  individual stated , totally incorrectly, that parts of the body were detached .

On another occasion they even got the site of the incident wrong  (but then again so did the radio).

All I'm saying is that on occasions people can embellish/exaggerate  any story , for reasons best known to themselves, and perhaps a first question should be  "were you there ,did you witness the event? " before believing  and repeating what could just be " bloke on the pub nonsense".

Doc fixit, as a marshal I could be called a 'first responder' , my responsibility is to attend the rider or assist the medic (if we are lucky enough to have one ), and your lurid description is not one that I recognise , perhaps I've been lucky .

Just saying

 

[Roger Mexico]

9 minutes ago, paswt said:

[...] as a marshal I could be called a 'first responder' , my responsibility is to attend the rider or assist the medic (if we are lucky enough to have one ), and your lurid description is not one that I recognise , perhaps I've been lucky .

Not so much lucky as statistically much less likely.  Ambulance staff, doctors and so on are going to go to accidents over all or a large part of the Course, and so witness many more incidents - and the most serious ones.  Any individual marshal will only see those in a comparatively small section.

[ManxTaxPayer]

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Edited January 11, 2022 by ManxTaxPayer

[WTF]

3 hours ago, Zarley said:

This. 

70% of internal decapitation results in immediate death. Those who survive are often left with severe, life-changing injuries. There are the occasionally happy endings.

Although the article I linked to describes this type of injury as rare, I doubt that description takes road-racing motorcyclists on the Isle of Man into account.

for future reference, when i click something that mentions happy endings i don't expect to be reading that or fairy tales , OK .     😉

[Zarley]

1 hour ago, WTF said:

for future reference, when i click something that mentions happy endings i don't expect to be reading that or fairy tales , OK .     😉

I did wonder if I should phrase that differently