0bserver Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: That’s a bit like saying why should the BBC continue provide news coverage when Sky News are doing it. Not really though. The news is the news. TT is a commercial (so we're told lol) sporting event that should be generating a profit for the GMP. Manx Radio's coverage has been loss making for years. If a commercial stations can do it at zero cost to GMT then let them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, 0bserver said: Not really though. The news is the news. TT is a commercial (so we're told lol) sporting event that should be generating a profit for the GMP. Manx Radio's coverage has been loss making for years. If a commercial stations can do it at zero cost to GMT then let them. Well it is really though? The Olympics, the football World Cup, Formula One, rugby stuff etc are all commercial and covered across multiple platforms. Anyway who told you that the TT should be generating a profit for the GMP ( stupid meaningless acronym that you really should stop using)? Should the Wimbledon tennis tournament be just generating a profit for those people who live in that particular part of London? And how do you come to the conclusion that Manx Radios coverage has been loss making for years? Maybe it has but how much profit does the Mannin Line generate? or indeed the hourly news and weather bulletins? It’s about providing a public service. And I for one am glad that Manx Radio does that ( albeit that certain aspects of its output annoy me!) Edited February 19, 2022 by The Voice of Reason Adding question mark at the end of my second paragraph 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0bserver Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 1 minute ago, The Voice of Reason said: Anyway who told you that the TT should be generating a profit for the GMP ( stupid meaningless acronym that you really should stop using)? Should the Wimbledon tennis tournament be just generating a profit for those people who live in that particular part of London? Is Wimbledon underwritten by the UK tax payer? No, so why would there be an expectation for it to make a profit for London residents. Is TT underwritten and paid for by the GMT? Yes! So there's every reason it should be making us a profit. GMP is one of the lasting legacies of the HQ regime and you should be very grateful for that! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManxTaxPayer Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 I don't get it, if Manx Radio are continuing to cover the TT, why are they getting rid of the Glen Helen and Ramsey commentary points? Are they moving them elsewhere? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, ManxTaxPayer said: I don't get it, if Manx Radio are continuing to cover the TT, why are they getting rid of the Glen Helen and Ramsey commentary points? Are they moving them elsewhere? Probably just sit in the studio watching these new cameras! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxlass Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 Commentary coming from the tower from watching helicopter footage. Will probably be following the leading 6 riders and forgetting the rest of the field Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winnie Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 16 hours ago, Ghost Ship said: If they sell 50k subs that brings* in £750k. Is that enough to provide the service? They might be content to make a loss in year one, but they won't be able to recover it for another year, will they? *I have no idea if 50,000 susbscribers is a reasonable or achievable number, and I've no idea what it would cost to provide coverage. I've heard that coverage would be 20 or so cameras around the course and a couple of helicopters. I have absolutely no idea what that would cost Also, I'd have thought that coverage would be so complicated trying to cover a live time trial that co-ordinating the camera shots meaningfully would be an almost impossible task. It would require infallible split second timing by the director. 50,000 ?? I think you'll be looking over 1,000,000 worldwide. Just read Gas Monkey alone has 4.8m followers, and they'll be all over it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joebean Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 The TT has been given an increased budget and better resources all round. I can understand the strategy that is in place. During the last 2 years the TT team have not been sitting around doing nothing but have, instead been putting together a strategy to take the risk management of the event forward and to improve access to the racing and the experience of TT fans. If you care to think about it, it is the only logical approach to take as the alternative was just to do nothing and let the event stagnate. Those that oppose the TT cannot, yet, come up with anything that would replace it in visitor numbers. I hear Mr Allinson talk about 500,000 visitors a year but the detail on how this would be achieved is a bit thin and hopeful, so Motorcycle racing it is for a few more years. I sincerely hope that the additional resources directed at the TT and MGP produce the anticipated results. The TT developments all sound reasoned and sensible, directed at what newer fans would actually want rather than merely pandering to the older and dying breed. In terms of the longer term appeal of the Motorcycle racing product being flogged, I still remain unconvinced but at least they are trying. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizo Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 the only use of the commentary points was to let everyone know when another rider hadn't made it to that point and left the audience to believe another rider has smashed into a wall somewhere. With no commentary points there will be no need to let everyone know another rider hasn't made it. Its actually quite brilliant by IOMGTT. #nothingtoseehere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omobono Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 4 hours ago, Gizo said: the only use of the commentary points was to let everyone know when another rider hadn't made it to that point and left the audience to believe another rider has smashed into a wall somewhere. With no commentary points there will be no need to let everyone know another rider hasn't made it. Its actually quite brilliant by IOMGTT. #nothingtoseehere as I understand it 3FM will also have access to the same commentary data as all the other local radio stations , but where I am still confused ,is where the race teams and those standing by in the pit lane will know where their rider is on the road , in the good old days they waited for his light to come on at the scoreboard when he was at Cronk e Mona which gave them about 2 minutes to get ready with wheel change fuel,,,, change visor etc don't forget electronic devises are prohibited in the pit lane , so traditionally they had the score board to rely on , the leaders of the race could be in Ramsey and attracting all the attention of the commentators so there needs to be a system for the rest of the field to know where their riders are on the course , 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passing Time Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Youaintseenme said: All change for the TT radio coverage. Mr Turners views The only thing worth watching on that were the dolly birds behind the riders in the first 1.48 minutes...😘 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 There is a long and informative article on ''Autosport'' online, may be available in the Magazine. It is written by Lewis Duncan and is supportive. He is a 12 year enthusiast. Covers mostly the new TV coverage and compares it with other sports and what it could bring to revitalise the TT to a wider audience. Explains the possibilities of the coverage. Well worth a read and I'm not a supporter! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 No link then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 (edited) Some of the photos are excellent quality, by Dave Kneen but the heading photo is of one of those white walls on the drop down to Ramsey. OK. they keep us out of a large drop off of the edge of the road but are they, the walls, there purely because of the TT Course and its traditional shape/corners? Seems to me, filling in the drops and widening out the corners and roadway would be the sensible approach? Edited February 20, 2022 by Kopek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 (edited) I'm hopeless at 'links' and it's a subscription service! www.autosport.com/tt/news/the-much-needed-revolution-aimed-at-reviving-a-motorsport-gem/8289539/ Will that work? Edited February 20, 2022 by Kopek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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