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14 hours ago, Numbnuts said:

No , the problem is Government coming up with a system for everyone to fill the form in on line and for a great many its failed dismally. Be interesting to know how many forms have or are being sent out . And what about Foxdale ? If stories are to be believed asking people to go to the post office or the Baltic pub to get there form says it all as to the failure of this census . 

The provision of the census forms in Foxdale is nothing to do with the government. It is a community initiative led by a Patrick commissioner to give easy access and assistance to Foxdale residents who may be struggling with the form or have difficulties getting hold of one. Just locals being neighbourly.

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3 minutes ago, The Dog's Dangly Bits said:

What cock up? I filled it in for a family of 5 in about 15 minutes.  It's really easy too.

Whoopdedoo for you.

Are you not bright enough to figure out that thousands of others have found it a right pita for various reasons?

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Just now, trmpton said:

Whoopdedoo for you.

Are you not bright enough to figure out that thousands of others have found it a right pita for various reasons?

I'm not sure why.  It's pretty simple to complete.  I'm not sure it could have been made much easier as such.

You'll always get people moaning.  Same people will be moaning about completing a paper version.

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3 minutes ago, The Dog's Dangly Bits said:

I'm not sure why.  It's pretty simple to complete.  I'm not sure it could have been made much easier as such.

You'll always get people moaning.  Same people will be moaning about completing a paper version.

How do people fill in something they haven't received?

How do elderly People figure out that they can't actually use their own post code, they have to use the wrong one that is on their form?

Which one of the 2 codes that were delivered to my house should I have used?

These figures aren't going to be any use to anyone.

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10 hours ago, AlanShimmin said:

Ray Harmer will be saying it's a great success and the site errors are due to it being more popular than expected.

Well to be fair, who could have expected that everyone would try to fill in forms that everyone had to fill in?  

It's worth pointing out that Censuses are really important because they force governments to encounter reality.  Rather than thinking they know what the country is like they are forced to go out and ask questions and count.  And it usually ends in them realising they have got some things wrong - no matter how carefully they have extrapolated from past data or other sources of information.

That is why the best way of doing them is still having an enumerator go round from door to door and try to speak to people in person.  They can sort our queries for the less able, the illiterate, the confused, the people with complicated households or circumstances that don't match the neat little boxes that have been designed.  They can encourage the reluctant or lazy and they can spot which properties are genuinely unused.. 

And their presence means that people are less likely to lie, at least in an obvious manner.   For all we know TDDB isn't really part of a household of five, he's a teenager in a bedsit.  Or a slum landlord with 27 Romanians in the basement.  Or an actual dog.  (On the internet no one knows you're a dog).

Of course encountering reality is that last thing that some governments want to do - all those PR people are basically employed to make their employers feel good, not to fool the public.

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15 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

That is why the best way of doing them is still having an enumerator go round from door to door and try to speak to people in person.  They can sort our queries for the less able, the illiterate, the confused… They can encourage the reluctant or lazy…

It’s all very well setting up a help mechanism for MHK’s but it should be more widely available.

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17 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

It's worth pointing out that Censuses are really important because they force governments to encounter reality.  Rather than thinking they know what the country is like they are forced to go out and ask questions and count.

Are we talking about the IoMG and its CS here....? 😂

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