Numbnuts Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 Any early guesses on our current population ? I'll go for 84500 k . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 78, apparently LOADS of people have left cos of the BOARDERS 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 14 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: 78, apparently LOADS of people have left cos of the BOARDERS Is that the boarders at KWC with covid 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted March 16, 2021 Author Share Posted March 16, 2021 Original article says that 721 moved here between March - December 2020, though they might be Skelly-type figures. I'm going to go for population stable at around 84000. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 "The census is a national survey of people and households in the Isle of Man and is needed to provide key information which is not available from any other source. For example, Government will use the information for planning purposes, to assess whether there are enough schools, hospital and maternity facilities etc. Businesses use the census results when they are considering whether or not to establish a presence in the Island and, if so, where to site new factories, offices and shops. Local authorities also need to know how many pople live in their area in order to optimise the services they provide." Any census in May this year will only likely provide skewed information: potentially many hundreds of students here (otherwise in UK), numerous oldies residing here temporarily with relatives to avoid UK and other lockdown dangers, furloughed UK staff staying home on island with mum and dad, numerous business types normally away in other countries, people who normally travel a lot or spend months living away etc. etc. I can see the figure this year being artificially closer to 86k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 11 minutes ago, Albert Tatlock said: furloughed UK staff staying home on island with mum and dad I thought that wasn't allowed - no job or mortgage here = non-resident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 Just now, Declan said: I thought that wasn't allowed - no job or mortgage here = non-resident. That's not the case. We've imported thousands of oldies here with neither. Anyone with permission to reside in the UK can live here - whether you pay tax here or in the UK. Don't get me started on a well overdue residency act 😁 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 4 minutes ago, Albert Tatlock said: That's not the case. We've imported thousands of oldies here with neither. Anyone with permission to reside in the UK can live here - whether you pay tax here or in the UK. Don't get me started on a well overdue residency act 😁 But under the border restrictions you’re supposed to have a job contract or a tenancy or own a house, unless you were tax resident before 27/3/20 or a student. That precludes, in theory, adult children, working in UK. returning just because they’re on furlough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, Albert Tatlock said: That's not the case. We've imported thousands of oldies here with neither. Anyone with permission to reside in the UK can live here - whether you pay tax here or in the UK. Don't get me started on a well overdue residency act 😁 I realise that's the case normally, but during lockdown there's a restriction - https://covid19.gov.im/travel-borders/ Quite a callous one if you ask me. But that's Howard! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, John Wright said: But under the border restrictions you’re supposed to have a job contract or a tenancy or own a house, unless you were tax resident before 27/3/20 or a student. That precludes, in theory, adult children, working in UK. returning just because they’re on furlough. There are 5000 rentals in IOM, I'm pretty sure people not resident owning some of these have used that fact to their advantage. ETA: It will be interesting to compare vaccine figures with the census results at the end of the year. Edited March 16, 2021 by Albert Tatlock 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistercee Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 53 minutes ago, Albert Tatlock said: ETA: It will be interesting to compare vaccine figures with the census results at the end of the year. Do you really think they will be able to compare the respective databases given that they cannot even eliminate duplication of letters? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 2 hours ago, Albert Tatlock said: Any census in May this year will only likely provide skewed information: potentially many hundreds of students here (otherwise in UK), numerous oldies residing here temporarily with relatives to avoid UK and other lockdown dangers, furloughed UK staff staying home on island with mum and dad, numerous business types normally away in other countries, people who normally travel a lot or spend months living away etc. etc. Actually most of these people (students, people working away from home) should be included in the census anyway. Censuses are supposed to include all those ordinarily resident in an area. This is why there are different totals for population depending on which definition is used: Resident population: Isle of Man residents present on Census Night plus residents absent from the Island on Census Night Census population: Resident population plus visitors in the Island on Census Night De Facto population: Residents present on Census Night plus visitors on the Island on Census Night Calculated as follows (see p 14): Resident population 83,314 Residents absent 6,039 Residents present 77,275 Visitors 1,285 De facto population 78,560 Census population 84,599 Note that it is the resident population that is normally quoted and that it was much higher than the actual number on the Island - 7% of residents weren't there and there weren't that many visitors (it was 23 April and being on a Sunday there will have been few short-term business visitors). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Out of the blue Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 2 hours ago, Albert Tatlock said: "The census is a national survey of people and households in the Isle of Man and is needed to provide key information which is not available from any other source. For example, Government will use the information for planning purposes, to assess whether there are enough schools, hospital and maternity facilities etc. Businesses use the census results when they are considering whether or not to establish a presence in the Island and, if so, where to site new factories, offices and shops. Local authorities also need to know how many pople live in their area in order to optimise the services they provide." Any census in May this year will only likely provide skewed information: potentially many hundreds of students here (otherwise in UK), numerous oldies residing here temporarily with relatives to avoid UK and other lockdown dangers, furloughed UK staff staying home on island with mum and dad, numerous business types normally away in other countries, people who normally travel a lot or spend months living away etc. etc. I can see the figure this year being artificially closer to 86k. I think that your points are valid and will push the figure upwards, but will be tempered by the exodus of many transient EU types who left because of Brexit and Covid. I will take a stab at 84K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc.fixit Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 81,500? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buncha wankas Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 12 hours ago, Numbnuts said: Any early guesses on our current population ? I'll go for 84500 k . Paper article this week stated new residents near 800 added since March 2020 That’s near 3 times the usual. going to be expensive for NHS as I would put money on it being aged or older residents. someone pulled the plug, we are going to be drained. watching the vaccine numbers with interest as that will be a reality show. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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