Omobono Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 2 hours ago, Roxanne said: This is damning. I look forward to the debate between Mr Callister and Mr Robertshaw. In fact, I can’t wait. there wont be a debate , Robertshaw is no longer in Tynwald , and I can not believe that in 2022 its not possible to construct a sewage treatment works in lower Laxey to best EU standards and practice ,similar to 100's of small regional plants constructed all over Europe in the past few years , the cost of electricity of pumping the sewage to Baldrine up over the hill to be treated , and the clean effluent back to Laxey to be discharged out to sea in the bay will be astronomical , This is the politics of the mad house , and brought about by a minority of unqualified experts and pressure groups like PAG , the outrageous capital , and on going pumping costs cost to be born by the rest of the taxpayers what a bloody disgrace ! do we have any civil Engineers on Manx Forums ? 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 4 minutes ago, Omobono said: there wont be a debate , Robertshaw is no longer in Tynwald , and I can not believe that in 2022 its not possible to construct a sewage treatment works in lower Laxey to best EU standards and practice ,similar to 100's of small regional plants constructed all over Europe in the past few years , the cost of electricity of pumping the sewage to Baldrine up over the hill to be treated , and the clean effluent back to Laxey to be discharged out to sea in the bay will be astronomical , This is the politics of the mad house , and brought about by a minority of unqualified experts and pressure groups like PAG , the outrageous capital , and on going pumping costs cost to be born by the rest of the taxpayers what a bloody disgrace ! do we have any civil Engineers on Manx Forums ? You don't need to be a civil engineer to understand that what you are saying is right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maugholdmafia Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 4 minutes ago, Omobono said: there wont be a debate , Robertshaw is no longer in Tynwald , and I can not believe that in 2022 its not possible to construct a sewage treatment works in lower Laxey to best EU standards and practice ,similar to 100's of small regional plants constructed all over Europe in the past few years , the cost of electricity of pumping the sewage to Baldrine up over the hill to be treated , and the clean effluent back to Laxey to be discharged out to sea in the bay will be astronomical , This is the politics of the mad house , and brought about by a minority of unqualified experts and pressure groups like PAG , the outrageous capital , and on going pumping costs cost to be born by the rest of the taxpayers what a bloody disgrace ! do we have any civil Engineers on Manx Forums ? Lets just say that the financial cost and construction disruptions to pump the sewerage to Meary Veg will make the Douglas Prom look like a splash in the ocean 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omobono Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 50 minutes ago, Roxanne said: With respect, did you watch the video? Regardless of where it is situated, there are some serious issues to be debated. Sadly the debate is concluded , the motion is coming to July Tynwald to spend the money ,cant see anyone in there with the balls to throw it out or even refer it to a committee ,and report back before sanctioning the millions required it would have been good to have seen the options paper ,but I guess the great unwashed manx public will never know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AOR Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 4 hours ago, Holte End said: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CI_ZtP0CkNQ @Rob Callister@Rob Callister@Rob Callister Love to hear your view on this, is Chris Robershaw right. 3 hours ago, Roxanne said: This is damning. I look forward to the debate between Mr Callister and Mr Robertshaw. In fact, I can’t wait. 1 hour ago, Omobono said: there wont be a debate , Robertshaw is no longer in Tynwald Why didn't Chris Robertshaw effectively do anything when he was in Tynwald and sat on the Council of Ministers? (that's a rhetorical question by the way). He's raising important issues now he is out of the Mad House - and good on him for that. It must be his conscience playing on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 Bit of a spat on Twitter about issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holte End Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 42 minutes ago, Roxanne said: I would be extremely interested to see what Roc Callister has to say for himself. The won't be any Government press releases till at least Wednesday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omobono Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 12 minutes ago, Holte End said: The won't be any Government press releases till at least Wednesday. Yes they will be all out socialising with their Tynwald guests and the big garden party on Sunday , wonder if they need any manure for the gardens , there will be a lot coming from Laxey and for Manx tomatoes you don't need to plant any seeds they come ready prepared , there were some plants on Douglas beach this week so I am not convinced there is no sewage being washed up along there , , complete with tomatoes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian rush Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 On 3/21/2021 at 3:48 PM, Roxanne said: There’s absolutely no need to shout. I only wish to learn more about the historical situation so I can educate myself of the gap in my knowledge. Do you shout at everyone who wants to learn? Did you used to be a teacher? Also pumping costs more now compared to the build and maintenance costs for multiple units. All units tend to last longer, so increased pump costs (ongoing spend) swung it to regional units. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 40 minutes ago, Holte End said: The won't be any Government press releases till at least Wednesday. He’s commenting on Twitter link above Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 1 hour ago, ian rush said: Also pumping costs more now compared to the build and maintenance costs for multiple units. All units tend to last longer, so increased pump costs (ongoing spend) swung it to regional units. That's right. Also, when IRIS was conceived many years ago. Package (regional) sewage plants were not readily available. IrIS is a nightmare. Why do people want to continue that nightmare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 (edited) It once again exposes the shortcomings of our political system, and the paucity of those leading major project expenditure. Government left the MEA power station in the grip of a hotelier , the prom in the grip of the DOI, who even the chief minister has called into question their candour in providing information. The airport in the grip of incompetents and all the time many millions of hard earned taxpayers cash went down the toilet ! Apt description ! Meanwhile we have vital frontline services starved of cash and employees. Unless our current elected muppets get a grip, and quickly, financial Armageddon approaches. As one of our elected said to me yesterday about the inception of the Liverpool terminal " we were sold a pup " sums up where the cash gets so easily removed from the public purse ! Edited July 3, 2022 by asitis 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holte End Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 (edited) . Edited July 3, 2022 by Holte End Shouldn't drink ona weekday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercenary Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 18 hours ago, Omobono said: there wont be a debate , Robertshaw is no longer in Tynwald , and I can not believe that in 2022 its not possible to construct a sewage treatment works in lower Laxey to best EU standards and practice ,similar to 100's of small regional plants constructed all over Europe in the past few years , the cost of electricity of pumping the sewage to Baldrine up over the hill to be treated , and the clean effluent back to Laxey to be discharged out to sea in the bay will be astronomical , This is the politics of the mad house , and brought about by a minority of unqualified experts and pressure groups like PAG , the outrageous capital , and on going pumping costs cost to be born by the rest of the taxpayers what a bloody disgrace ! do we have any civil Engineers on Manx Forums ? It does make you wonder whether the planning process is appropriate for these types of work with strong lobby groups and fragmented stakeholder interests. Although the financial scale may seem to not be enormous, there are large operational and capital implications that seem a tertiary consideration in light of the NIMBY pressure. In the UK for projects with similar challenges you would look at either a Development Consent Order or even an Act of Parliament. These are for projects where national interests are competing against local ones and where the planning process may not be able to satisfactorily resolve (i.e. it would get to an impractical solution cost or other wise). In the Island you would have seen similar in the past with the likes of the railways projects, where it is felt there is significant national interest. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 seems appropriate 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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