GD4ELI Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 10 minutes ago, dreamon said: Nothing wrong with the runway itself. Just yet another example of mismanagement. This time within ATC. The NOTAM states: Q)EGTT/QFALC/IV/NBO/A/000/999/5405N00437W005 B)2210010515 C)2210312045 E)RWY 03/21 CLOSED Translation for the thickos please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, GD4ELI said: Translation for the thickos please? I think it says 03/21 closed between 05.15 on 1st October until 20.45 0n 31st October. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamon Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 Correct, John! The times listed are zulu. So, in the current British Summer Time they are 06.15 & 21:45. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Capt_Mainwaring said: When and why did it close? I landed on 21 only 3 weeks ago A very short précis of why it's closed........ " we have an issue it needs some paperwork to resolve ", " we haven't been arsed to do that for a long time" REGULATOR " What have you done" ? ................ "eff all" Of course we've just spent millions on the vital resurfacing of 03 / 21 and we eff up the sourcing of the lights so it remained closed for a long time, now it's closed again ! Edited October 14, 2022 by asitis 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 12 minutes ago, dreamon said: Correct, John! The times listed are zulu. So, in the current British Summer Time they are 06.15 & 21:45. I think you’re wrong about the 21.45 for the ending, as we will be on Zulu/UTC/BST by then, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Capt_Mainwaring said: When and why did it close? I landed on 21 only 3 weeks ago it's top secret at the moment so you can't be informed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 1 minute ago, WTF said: it's top secret at the moment so you can't be informed. Commercial confidentiality? 😆 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 1 minute ago, Andy Onchan said: Commercial confidentiality? 😆 incompetence confidentiality.................................................. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nellie Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 4 hours ago, 2112 said: It rather pathetic really, a failing part of IOMG being given the oxygen of publicity, and a platform to try to deflect the blame. Yes, I am prepared to give the new airport director a chance, but I’m not prepared to listen to Chris Thomas and his excuses anymore. He is in charge - the buck stops with him. I too want to give Mr Cobb a fair chance, but he let himself down badly in today's interview by trying to create a disconnect between the decision to tell airlines that the Airport 'might not open on time' on Monday and easyJet's decision to cancel their Liverpool flight. He just waffled on about the multitude of reasons why it might have been cancelled and ignored the fact that his team were quite clearly the sole cause of the problem, and that easyJet had said so, on their tracker. He's got into IOMG Teflon mode, really quickly. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamon Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 3 hours ago, John Wright said: I think you’re wrong about the 21.45 for the ending, as we will be on Zulu/UTC/BST by then, Yes, thats why I mentioned about the current times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Buggane Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 Another new knobhead with nose firmly in the trough and up the crease of that serial waffler who could not sort out a deck of cards. Another fuckwit, boy can we choose em. Do we have special access to a gene pool that is civil service orientated(ass kissing/believe all the shit that is spoon fed to them) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 Sadly, trained Air Traffic Control Officers are currently like rocking horse s..t, and it takes forever to train a new one from scratch. Consequently, this problem is likely to be quite difficult to solve and may result in many more management speak briefings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 33 minutes ago, dreamon said: Yes, thats why I mentioned about the current times. Except UTC+1/BST was never going to be “current” on 31/10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamon Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 49 minutes ago, John Wright said: Except UTC+1/BST was never going to be “current” on 31/10 Just to clarify my post for the non-aviators. NOTAMS always show Zulu times. Hence 2210010515 C)2210312045 means the 03/21 is closed from 05:15Z on 01/10/22 until 20:45Z on 31/10/22 Translated to local time (or BST) means that 03/21 is closed from 06:15 on 01/10/22 until 21:45 on 31/10/22 BUT, as we all know BST ends on Sunday 30 October. So the NOTAM time for that day will be Zulu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 21 minutes ago, dreamon said: 2210010515 C)2210312045 means the 03/21 is closed from 05:15Z on 01/10/22 until 20:45Z on 31/10/22 Translated to local time (or BST) means that 03/21 is closed from 06:15 on 01/10/22 until 21:45 on 31/10/22 BUT, as we all know BST ends on Sunday 30 October. So the NOTAM time for that day will be Zulu. Yes, but local time on 31/10 was never going to be BST, which is why your 21.45 was wrong. You’re trying to overthink. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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