Airport.

[forestboy]

21 minutes ago, Ringy Rose said:

The new plans still do, they’re just called different names under the new plan. And they’ve made the long stay bit bigger.

 

The FSA application fee for a class 1 institution has gone from £15,459 to £27,500.

I’d agree with that, I think the proposed charges are too much for the market. If it’s £25 each way in a taxi, why would I pay £60 to park?

Bus every 20 minutes to Douglas even cheaper. 

[Non-Believer]

41 minutes ago, finlo said:

Government charges are a major driver of the high inflation we're currently experiencing.

In particular those rises imposed well above the rate of inflation. Mandated by Treasury to all Departments as revenue raisers because our Government is in financial shit (though they'll never admit it) and politicians are unable to control its own growth and expenditure.

Justified by Stu Peters in the case of VED for example, as "because you haven't been paying enough". So it's actually all the taxpayer's fault.

[WTF]

1 hour ago, Ringy Rose said:

 

I’d agree with that, I think the proposed charges are too much for the market. If it’s £25 each way in a taxi, why would I pay £60 to park?

cos there's no chance of getting a taxi down there judging by a few posts  on these forums.

[Stu Peters]

I think the new airport parking is a 12 month trial. If you’re all right the airport carpark will be empty and the DoI will have to re-evaluate.

[mad_manx]

6 hours ago, WTF said:

cos there's no chance of getting a taxi down there judging by a few posts  on these forums.

All you need to do is to book in advance.. Have been doing it for nearly 20 years.  

[WTF]

6 hours ago, Stu Peters said:

I think the new airport parking is a 12 month trial. If you’re all right the airport carpark will be empty and the DoI will sell it off to dandara as planned.

fixed.

[Banker]

10 hours ago, finlo said:

Government charges are a major driver of the high inflation we're currently experiencing.

Government charges will have minimal impact on inflation figures, it’s food, energy & travel which are main factors. Doubt government fees would make even 0.1% difference 

[Andy Onchan]

10 hours ago, offshoremanxman said:

But it is the DOI who consulted on this and it is the DOI which came up with this totally ridiculous “premium” and “peasant” price structure. 

The order to increase income is from Treasury. They won't reduce any headcounts in any departments (which is where the serious numbers are) so the only other alternative is to flip the other side of the coin. Non Believer has been banging on about this for quite some time. And he's right. IOMG have run out of alternatives.

[Asthehills]

On 6/3/2023 at 9:01 AM, John Wright said:

@Stu Peters raised that.

I am sure that the capital cost of an APNR system is greater than RinGo. In fact, apart from Signage RinGo will be next to nothing, just a set up fee.

Its the ongoing operating costs that should swing it.

RingGo taking 10, 15, 20% of revenue, set up fee when changing tariff, parking control attendants doing rounds several times daily with electronic equipment to check if you’ve paid.

APNR a few pay machines, touch screen card only, no moving parts, no barriers, no need to check, fewer employees, a daily print out of the index numbers of cars that left without paying, no slicing off the top of parking income.

Plus the software and ongoing maintenance and support fees.  These will be for a piece of software with an ever decreasing number of users meaning that the fees very quickly start ramping up as the supplier desperately tries to keep the product cost effective to support and upgrade. 
 

Apps run by a third party are the future. People need to suck it up and stop moaning as the airport are absolutely right on this one.

Hopefully the stupid machines in the car park by the sea terminal will be replaced next and people won’t have to queue in the rain while everyone’s card transactions take 90 seconds plus to go through.

[Banker]

4 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said:

The order to increase income is from Treasury. They won't reduce any headcounts in any departments (which is where the serious numbers are) so the only other alternative is to flip the other side of the coin. Non Believer has been banging on about this for quite some time. And he's right. IOMG have run out of alternatives.

Demand to increase income/reduce costs will only get worse as civil servants have turned down very good pay offer of 5% & treasury are only funding 2% with rest from existing budgets. Treasury are already using c£400 from reserves to fund shortfalls over next few years so unless taxes go up substantially there’s no more money!

[Ringy Rose]

10 hours ago, offshoremanxman said:

A Class 1 license is basically a deposit taking bank. They can afford the increase. Unlike a pensioner parking a car at the airport. 

No disagreement about that, but my point was Treasury are insisting everyone whacks their charges up. 

[offshoremanxman]

23 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said:

And he's right. IOMG have run out of alternatives.

It won’t make any difference though. As we’re seeing at the airport it’s optional spend as the cheaper alternatives are 1. Get a bus, 2. Get a taxi, 3. Use a private parking operator that’s cheaper & just round the corner so option 4. Actually use the airport carpark isn’t being picked as frequently anymore. It’s a total failure to even understand what the problem and the revenue model is. All I can see is revenue going down from this. So even if Treasury is sat behind it the way it’s being implemented by people in Departments who are literally clueless it’s just going to make things worse.

We already have a public sector that we can’t afford as it is.

 

[Ringy Rose]

14 minutes ago, Banker said:

civil servants have turned down very good pay offer of 5%

When inflation has been over 10% for the thick end of 18 months- so now we’re starting to see this year’s 10% hit on top of last year’s 10%- a pay offer of 5% is crap. And as we’ve not seen any prolonged period of deflation since the 1930s, any real-terms pay cut is permanent.

[Banker]

2 minutes ago, Ringy Rose said:

When inflation has been over 10% for the thick end of 18 months- so now we’re starting to see this year’s 10% hit on top of last year’s 10%- a pay offer of 5% is crap. And as we’ve not seen any prolonged period of deflation since the 1930s, any real-terms pay cut is permanent.

So you’re happy for public services to be cut & pay more taxes to fund higher rises for all the civil servants including those on £100k +? 5% pot is sufficient & should be used to give lower paid10% & higher paid 2% , these are not health staff

[WTF]

54 minutes ago, Banker said:

Government charges will have minimal impact on inflation figures, it’s food, energy & travel which are main factors. Doubt government fees would make even 0.1% difference 

so energy is 1/3rd of the main factors which over here electric wise is government.