Airport.

[emesde]

11 minutes ago, Asthehills said:

I am not confused. 
 

Blaming him for issues here that started years ago and expecting him to fix them over night is no less stupid than blaming him and expecting him to wave a magic wand over Gibralter.

We are agreed then ,  He has as much chance of sorting out the problems on the Isle of Man as he has of sorting out the problems on Gibraltar ,Especially as he feels face to face meetings are not the way to deal with problems. 

[asitis]

Nauseatingly I know, I will refer to 2006 when the then Chief Minister was told unequivocally to consider the possible negative effects of LCC's. Of course by then the whole omnishambles we have now was well underway.

Fuelled of course by a number of previous and current incumbents who are and were totally inadequate for their roles.

Edited June 29, 2023 by asitis

[Banker]

1 hour ago, asitis said:

Nauseatingly I know, I will refer to 2006 when the then Chief Minister was told unequivocally to consider the possible negative effects of LCC's. Of course by then the whole omnishambles we have now was well underway.

Fuelled of course by a number of previous and current incumbents who are and were totally inadequate for their roles.

There would be minimal negative effects of LCCs if the airport was operating normally 

[Banker]

Another new route for Jersey, hopefully we will get more once ATC issues etc are sorted 

https://www.channel103.com/news/jersey/easyjet-to-fly-jersey-birmingham-route/?fbclid=IwAR2Nb3Or8aI2fD9sIVNzWCPLsy4um_1T3G4eF7OXj1qT0n7zQi60PB1NF9g

[asitis]

15 minutes ago, Banker said:

There would be minimal negative effects of LCCs if the airport was operating normally 

Here is a snapshot of the airport analysis from 2006/7

the no frills airline model is focused around the principal objective of flying a high volume of passengers in order to maintain low fares at a profit. Ryanair (2007) and EasyJet (2007) state their operational load factors as 83% and 83.7% respectively. For this scenario EasyJet will be used, as the airline currently operates from Jersey (see Chapter 7) and therefore could potentially be attracted by the demographically similar Isle of Man market. Easyjet operate Airbus A319 aircraft with 156 seats, and therefore fill on average 131 seats per flight. With the current passenger volumes and load factors at Ronaldsway discussed earlier, it is clear that a significant decrease in aircraft movements would occur with the introduction of larger aircraft relying on economies of scale. In fact EasyJet could only operate 5,835 movements per annum compared with the current level of 29,742 if it were to capture 100 percent of the airports passengers in 2007. To put the scenario into a more assimilative form, this equates to just 1 return flight a day to 8 destinations. Whilst this scenario is not realistic in terms of the likely composition of future services, one can conclude that current passenger volumes are insufficient to support a low cost carrier without cannibalising most if not all of the existing operators. Furthermore a significant reduction in choice for the consumer would occur, with much greater travel restrictions.

 

[Mercenary]

17 minutes ago, asitis said:

Here is a snapshot of the airport analysis from 2006/7

the no frills airline model is focused around the principal objective of flying a high volume of passengers in order to maintain low fares at a profit. Ryanair (2007) and EasyJet (2007) state their operational load factors as 83% and 83.7% respectively. For this scenario EasyJet will be used, as the airline currently operates from Jersey (see Chapter 7) and therefore could potentially be attracted by the demographically similar Isle of Man market. Easyjet operate Airbus A319 aircraft with 156 seats, and therefore fill on average 131 seats per flight. With the current passenger volumes and load factors at Ronaldsway discussed earlier, it is clear that a significant decrease in aircraft movements would occur with the introduction of larger aircraft relying on economies of scale. In fact EasyJet could only operate 5,835 movements per annum compared with the current level of 29,742 if it were to capture 100 percent of the airports passengers in 2007. To put the scenario into a more assimilative form, this equates to just 1 return flight a day to 8 destinations. Whilst this scenario is not realistic in terms of the likely composition of future services, one can conclude that current passenger volumes are insufficient to support a low cost carrier without cannibalising most if not all of the existing operators. Furthermore a significant reduction in choice for the consumer would occur, with much greater travel restrictions.

 

Ah yes, a smaller number of reliable (current ATC/timetable issues aside), substantially cheaper links sounds horrendous.

 

The Flybe style long list of expensive routes and often cancelled/substantially delayed for 'reasons' (that definitely wasn't related to their only being 5 people on the plane). There was also a fair amount of churn as it was never really clear if enough people want to fly direct to Bournemouth / Gloucester / Carlisle to justify it, despite no doubt the promise of thousands from Reynolds & passenger surveys.

 

The LCC model effectively provides an airbridge. Provided there is the key UK hubs and decent timetable slots (which is currently a no, but up until recently generally worked well) it serves the general population much better. You also have well capitalised airlines that don't go pop every couple of years. The niche routes is better for people that work in aviation (more jobs, more planes to maintain), certain but not all business travellers (that don't care about cost) and people that fly to obscure destinations to see their favourite aunt or drop the kids off at Uni - and effectively ends up reliant on various subsidies to provide good coverage.

 

Edit: also no link to current ATC issues is there?

Edited June 29, 2023 by Mercenary

[newaccount]

2 hours ago, madmanxpilot said:

Indeed, GCI decided after commissioning a study that was undertaken by PWC, that LCCs  weren’t for them.

 

Guernsey Low Cost Carriers

 

You can see on page 14 that EasyJet asked them to extend their runway length to 1800m too, which they presumably felt was too costly to do, unlike the IOM.

Those requested runway lengths are rather curios given that both Ryanair and easyJet fly in and out of Skiathos which is 1628m. Furthermore Jet2, Wizz and Tui do as well (amongst others).

[slinkydevil]

[madmanxpilot]

1 hour ago, newaccount said:

Those requested runway lengths are rather curios given that both Ryanair and easyJet fly in and out of Skiathos which is 1628m. Furthermore Jet2, Wizz and Tui do as well (amongst others).

Hot brakes and rated take offs will be the order of the day there then, with the occasional bags and passengers left behind. 
 

If the airline really want go somewhere, they’ll go if the performance allows. But, having flown modern Embraer jets out of Southampton, which is just a bit longer at 1723m, I can tell you that despite using all of the (approved) tricks in the book, such as taking off with the APU running for the pressurisation rather than taking some umpf out of the engines for that purpose, or reducing the amount of contingency fuel you are carrying, it’s not always possible to take a full pax load with bags to get to your destination. Throw in a wet runway and can be tonnes over your maximum take off weight.

On the other hand, if it’s the airport that really want the airline to come to them, then the airline will feel they can demand things including those that would minimise the wear and tear on their aircraft and the likely hood of the above scenario ever happening

I think Ezy could have asked for the Laxey Wheel to be painted orange and we’d have complied. 

[madmanxpilot]

1 hour ago, slinkydevil said:

Now that is funny!

[Numbnuts]

Someone on Facebook has posted that the Easyjet 8 10 flight to Liverpool is already cancelled . Isle of Man airport departures still saying on time. Who is right I wonder . Not long to wait . Posted at around 11 30 pm 

Edited June 30, 2023 by Numbnuts

[Guest]

It’s currently on the Liverpool Airport Departures site as cancelled 

[Asthehills]

2 hours ago, Numbnuts said:

Someone on Facebook has posted that the Easyjet 8 10 flight to Liverpool is already cancelled . Isle of Man airport departures still saying on time. Who is right I wonder . Not long to wait . Posted at around 11 30 pm 

Showing as cancelled now.

I see the idiotic comments blaming our airport on the FB post have already started 🙄

[Banker]

1 hour ago, Asthehills said:

Showing as cancelled now.

I see the idiotic comments blaming our airport on the FB post have already started 🙄

Says on easyJet the plane is not available so cancelled nothing to do with airport 

[Asthehills]

4 minutes ago, Banker said:

Says on easyJet the plane is not available so cancelled nothing to do with airport 

Yes I know.  Hence the comment.

Thanks though 🤷‍♂️