Airport.

[Gladys]

2 hours ago, asitis said:

has anyone found out yet what exactly managements responsibilities are ? 

He said on MR it is ATC and the car park. 

[asitis]

15 minutes ago, Gladys said:

He said on MR it is ATC and the car park. 

..... both of which are ...kups LOL !!

[asitis]

19 minutes ago, Gladys said:

He said on MR it is ATC and the car park. 

Christ he's on a lot of dosh for very little then, ATC has an Oberleutnant as well, so basically he's a car park attendant ! 

I think his teflon attitude got him a lot of criticism at the HIAL enquiry in the press.

Edited July 14, 2023 by asitis

[Roxanne]

Gatwick staff have announced they’re going on strike at the start of the school holidays. 

That should help. 

[Banker]

2 hours ago, Roxanne said:

Gatwick staff have announced they’re going on strike at the start of the school holidays. 

That should help. 

No doubt any delays/cancellations will be blamed on Iom airport by Facebook warriors 

[Nellie]

4 hours ago, madmanxpilot said:

It is reported on Manx Radio this morning that the IOMG is seeking expression of interest from airlines who would be able to serve the NW and London.

EOI Northwest

EOI London

I’m not really sure who is likely to reply, but it is interesting non the less.

Does this herald the end of Open Skies, or is that wishful thinking?

 

It's interesting that the Northwest one mentions support and incentives, where as the London one, where we have apparently been paying support and incentives, doesn't. Does that mean the London subsidy money has run out? 

It's probably not a bad idea to conduct this exercise as it will flush out who is, and isn't, interested in flying here. Of course, we'll never know which airlines registers their interest, or whether the airport management use the information effectively and productively. 

 

 

[Banker]

12 minutes ago, Nellie said:

It's interesting that the Northwest one mentions support and incentives, where as the London one, where we have apparently been paying support and incentives, doesn't. Does that mean the London subsidy money has run out? 

It's probably not a bad idea to conduct this exercise as it will flush out who is, and isn't, interested in flying here. Of course, we'll never know which airlines registers their interest, or whether the airport management use the information effectively and productively. 

 

 

The subsidies for London airports to Loganair stop next March when they will cancel flights if not renewed as probably unviable.

incidentally note easyJet have cancelled Manchester flights due to technical issues & no alternative, assuming lots will be on SeaCat 

[IOM]

16 minutes ago, Nellie said:

It's interesting that the Northwest one mentions support and incentives, where as the London one, where we have apparently been paying support and incentives, doesn't. Does that mean the London subsidy money has run out? 

It's probably not a bad idea to conduct this exercise as it will flush out who is, and isn't, interested in flying here. Of course, we'll never know which airlines registers their interest, or whether the airport management use the information effectively and productively. 

 

 

It’s interesting because there are not a lot of credible options . Maybe BA Cityflyer for London City they are a good airline but only fly Embraer 190’s now which carry 100 passengers. Also Eastern who fly into Gatwick but they have flown to the island a few times then withdrawn quite quickly. 

[Utah 01]

2 minutes ago, IOM said:

Also Eastern who fly into Gatwick

..............and if you think Loganiar expensive you've probably never tried Eastern.

In other news, Aurigny came 3rd in the Telegraph's travel airline ratings behind jet2 and Swiss.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/news/telegraph-travel-awards-2023-best-airlines/

[Nellie]

2 minutes ago, IOM said:

It’s interesting because there are not a lot of credible options . Maybe BA Cityflyer for London City they are a good airline but only fly Embraer 190’s now which carry 100 passengers. Also Eastern who fly into Gatwick but they have flown to the island a few times then withdrawn quite quickly. 

That's true, but without asking the question there are various other scenarios which you can't totally discount. For example:-

BA Mainline, or BA Euroflyer, might be interested in flying from Heathrow or Gatwick, especially if easyJet were entirely, or partly, out of the picture?

Emerald might be interested in replacing Loganair, in whole or part?

Would Jet2 or Ryanair be interested in dipping a toe in the water, rather like easyJet did back in 2010?

You may well dismiss all these thoughts as absurd, but unless someone asks the question in a structured, and unbiased, way no-one knows the answers.

I do think that they should also have asked who might be prepared to base, or night-stop, aircraft here, as this is an important part of understanding the shape of any future services.

 

 

[IOM]

17 minutes ago, Nellie said:

That's true, but without asking the question there are various other scenarios which you can't totally discount. For example:-

BA Mainline, or BA Euroflyer, might be interested in flying from Heathrow or Gatwick, especially if easyJet were entirely, or partly, out of the picture?

Emerald might be interested in replacing Loganair, in whole or part?

Would Jet2 or Ryanair be interested in dipping a toe in the water, rather like easyJet did back in 2010?

You may well dismiss all these thoughts as absurd, but unless someone asks the question in a structured, and unbiased, way no-one knows the answers.

I do think that they should also have asked who might be prepared to base, or night-stop, aircraft here, as this is an important part of understanding the shape of any future services.

 

 

Yes agreed they are options and a night stop option should have been mentioned you are right . The problem with Jet2 and Ryanair is they only fly big planes ( circa 150 seaters or more ) so in that case they would likely not be able to make the economics work to manage several rotations a day so yet again frequency would suffer . In my view the island needs a regular well timed frequent service option . 

[Guest]

As we can’t have Manx Airlines, and Easyjet/Ryanair have 100+ seat aircraft that probably wouldn’t overnight stop, we are very, very limited on alternatives.  Loganair and Eastern would undoubtedly require government subsidy to provide the required level of service and even then I would expect them to be relatively expensive.

Maybe it really is time to be adventurous and negotiate an Island partnership with Guernsey and Aurigny.  I suspect IOM could quite easily end up with the air service it essentially needs at an eventual cost that would not be dissimilar to the many subsidies and deals currently in operation.  Just please get a suitably qualified and experienced negotiator to carry out the task !

[IOM]

6 minutes ago, Cypman said:

 

Maybe it really is time to be adventurous and negotiate an Island partnership with Guernsey and Aurigny.  I suspect IOM could quite easily end up with the air service it essentially needs at an eventual cost that would not be dissimilar to the many subsidies and deals currently in operation.  Just please get a suitably qualified and experienced negotiator to carry out the task !

And what makes you think the Isle of Man would get the service it needs ? Aurigny don’t fly to any other London airport other than Gatwick . EasyJet already fly there twice a day so I don’t see the benefit . Aurigny used to do London City but pulled away and don’t have any slots at Heathrow. 

[Utah 01]

2 hours ago, Cypman said:

Maybe it really is time to be adventurous and negotiate an Island partnership with Guernsey and Aurigny

At last, the most glaringly obvious solution has been voiced (and considered feasible by many of us for years) - but, the key term is 'adventurous' which is an incomprehensible concept to the parish council.

For those of us old enough to remember, there was once an airline named British Island Airways, funny old thing.

The current airline arrangements are not serving the Island.  The likes of Cannan can fantasise about growing the Island's population and economy as much as he likes - but he needs to get off his ass, kick some civil service asses an extract his digit from wherever he parks it for most of his working day.

 

Edited July 14, 2023 by Utah 01

[newaccount]

step away from this forum and in the real world you will find no one wants to get rid of easyJet