Ringy Rose Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 15 hours ago, Numbnuts said: They don’t like the boss is my guess so just doing there required shift without helping him in any way. Just a hunch …. I’m going with “unpleasant boss, emboldened after seeing off Spake and Reynolds, has become more unpleasant”. Just a theory though. I don’t know people at the airport. But I’m aware of at least one ATC who went through their training but then left for a lower-paid job not in ATC. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manx Mole Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Ringy Rose said: I’m going with “unpleasant boss, emboldened after seeing off Spake and Reynolds, has become more unpleasant”. Just a theory though. I don’t know people at the airport. But I’m aware of at least one ATC who went through their training but then left for a lower-paid job not in ATC. Indeed. He was appointed by Ann Reynolds after the job description was changed by her to fit the person. His job was to 'sort the tower out'. However, the love in with her and Spake was short lived because he soon realised the problem didn't lie in the tower, but with them. He got that bit right. His military MO and abrasive style has proven to be a poor fit in the civil environment. It is a cause of much discontent and has made staff retention difficult. I have worked with many who have transitioned from military roles into equivalent civilian positions. The ones who do well are the ones who realise there are differences in the way things are done and change. You need to do a lot more than just take the uniform off. Edited December 21, 2023 by Manx Mole 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Manx Mole said: Indeed. He was appointed by Ann Reynolds after the job description was changed by her to fit the person. His job was to 'sort the tower out'. However, the love in with her and Spake was short lived because he soon realised the problem didn't lie in the tower, but with them. He got that bit right. His military MO and abrasive style has proven to be a poor fit in the civil environment. It is a cause of much discontent and has made staff retention difficult. I have worked with many who have transitioned from military roles into equivalent civilian positions. The ones who do well are the ones who realise there are differences in the way things are done and change. You need to do a lot more than just take the uniform off. so in short, he was probably a bullying cunt in uniform too then Edited December 21, 2023 by WTF 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 58 minutes ago, Manx Mole said: His military MO and abrasive style has proven to be a poor fit in the civil environment. It is a cause of much discontent and has made staff retention difficult. I have worked with many who have transitioned from military roles into equivalent civilian positions. The ones who do well are the ones who realise there are differences in the way things are done and change. You need to do a lot more than just take the uniform off. You'd hope that would go without saying. But looking at Pugh's Linkedin, what is striking is the lack of even military managerial experience: The only position where he was any sort of supervisory role was a Deputy one held for only 20 months after which he left (and this is all without allowing for the usual Linkedin role-inflation). It's not exactly what you would expect in someone appointed to such a senior position. Though I suppose it's still a better cv than Spake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manx Mole Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 57 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: it's still a better cv than Spake. Spake's could have been written by James Thurber. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ringy Rose Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Roger Mexico said: Though I suppose it's still a better cv than Spake I’m not so sure it is to be honest. The reason why he got his TV career is because he was doing the do at Aeroflot in the first place. I can’t imagine working for a Russian airline in mid 90s was exactly easy. Edited December 21, 2023 by Ringy Rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 14 minutes ago, Ringy Rose said: I’m not so sure it is to be honest. The reason why he got his TV career is because he was doing the do at Aeroflot in the first place. I can’t imagine working for a Russian airline in mid 90s was exactly easy. I was working in Russia at that time and when one of the news outlets showed a clip of one episode the Russians that I was sharing a house howled with laughter at his pathetic attempts at speaking Russian. пожалуйста.... 🤣🤣 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 31 minutes ago, Ringy Rose said: at Aeroflot in the first place. I can’t imagine working for a Russian airline in mid 90s was exactly easy. Renowned internationally as being one of the shoddier operators though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newaccount Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 Manchester LM697 Cancelled Manchester LM698 Cancelled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 1 hour ago, newaccount said: Manchester LM697 Cancelled Manchester LM698 Cancelled Any reason why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Banker said: Any reason why? I would imagine gusting winds putting it out of crosswind limits here and Manchester. The narrow track undercarriage means it's a handful on the ground ! It does seem forecast to ease later. Edited December 21, 2023 by asitis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newaccount Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 21 minutes ago, asitis said: I would imagine gusting winds putting it out of crosswind limits here and Manchester. The narrow track undercarriage means it's a handful on the ground ! It does seem forecast to ease later. Nothing else has been cancelled, so I wouldn't assume it was wind speed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 6 minutes ago, newaccount said: Nothing else has been cancelled, so I wouldn't assume it was wind speed Agreed , there were a number of diversions today from Manchester to Birmingham so some were struggling earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 I assume this will affect IoM flights also: https://www.shetnews.co.uk/2023/10/27/airway-robbery-loganair-chief-adds-to-widespread-concern-over-increased-air-traffic-control-charges/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 20 minutes ago, Two-lane said: I assume this will affect IoM flights also: https://www.shetnews.co.uk/2023/10/27/airway-robbery-loganair-chief-adds-to-widespread-concern-over-increased-air-traffic-control-charges/ Well they’re mostly subsidised by taxpayers but maybe why city is being shelved, OLeary from Ryanair was very angry about these increases recently threatening all sorts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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