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14 minutes ago, IOM said:

Contractually yes it’s not his direct responsibility. However I would expect there to be regular and ongoing dialogue between all relevant parties to ensure everything is in place as it should be . It’s nonsense to think that they all operate entirely separately and never talk to each other ! 

Of course they talk to one another. But as Roger pointed out, the de-icing contract is between the airlines and the ground handler. Whilst cancelled flights are frustrating, the airport itself doesn't run flights or ground handling. They don't intervene if your luggage is overweight, make sure Smiths has enough newspapers, or check if the plane has enough hot towelettes. They have no overall governance of the businesses that operate out of the airport, they literally provide the framework from which the businesses operate. The airport is open, the lights are on, the desks are running, the shops are open. If the ground handler's de-icing equipment is broken, that's unfortunate, but the airport doesn't govern that, it's a commercial arrangement. It's getting boring listening to the constant whingeing about Government where they're not even involved. 

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2 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said:

Makes you wonder how often Menzies equipment is rolled out and tested. It doesn't snow 24/7/365 so there's really no excuse for them not to keep the equipment up to scratch. 

FFS

Stuff fails.  We don’t know what failed, why or when.

Formula 1 cars break down on warm Ups laps ffs.  Sometimes shit just happens 

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1 minute ago, CrazyDave said:

FFS

Stuff fails.  We don’t know what failed, why or when.

Formula 1 cars break down on warm Ups laps ffs.  Sometimes shit just happens 

It's not the first time though.

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22 minutes ago, Sheldon said:

Where does overall responsibility for "business continuity" lie at the airport, then? Even the simplest plans have to consider supplier chains and dependencies.

responsibility at the airport ????   you must be new........................................

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De-icing is the airline’s responsibility to ensure that if they operate into an airport where departure will require it. If it is contracted the airline is responsible for contracting and auditing the capability. This is a CAA requirement. So in all probability the unit had a fault that was not foreseen.

 

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Wonder when the fault was detected? As @CrazyDave implied above, it could well have been tested successfully last night but still failed when called upon this morning. You'd like to think any testing hadn't been left until the last minute, given the weather forecast.

Also wonder what their documented RTO is after detection of a problem. (They may well have met that too, of course.)

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1 hour ago, The Bastard said:

Of course they talk to one another. But as Roger pointed out, the de-icing contract is between the airlines and the ground handler. Whilst cancelled flights are frustrating, the airport itself doesn't run flights or ground handling. They don't intervene if your luggage is overweight, make sure Smiths has enough newspapers, or check if the plane has enough hot towelettes. They have no overall governance of the businesses that operate out of the airport, they literally provide the framework from which the businesses operate. The airport is open, the lights are on, the desks are running, the shops are open. If the ground handler's de-icing equipment is broken, that's unfortunate, but the airport doesn't govern that, it's a commercial arrangement. It's getting boring listening to the constant whingeing about Government where they're not even involved. 

I understand exactly what the remit of the airport is and I already pointed out I understand they are not directly responsible for deicing .  However I assume one of the key measures of the airport director is number of passengers through the terminal so if there are no planes flying that’s no passengers! It’s in all their interests to check that everything is functioning and work together I just don’t get the first time someone realises it’s not working is when it snows ! I mean it’s not like the weather forecast did not predict it so why not go and check earlier on in the week . 

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1 minute ago, IOM said:

I understand exactly what the remit of the airport is and I already pointed out I understand they are not directly responsible for deicing .  However I assume one of the key measures of the airport director is number of passengers through the terminal so if there are no planes flying that’s no passengers! It’s in all their interests to check that everything is functioning and work together I just don’t get the first time someone realises it’s not working is when it snows ! I mean it’s not like the weather forecast did not predict it so why not go and check earlier on in the week . 

You're new here aren't you!

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8 minutes ago, IOM said:

I understand exactly what the remit of the airport is and I already pointed out I understand they are not directly responsible for deicing .  However I assume one of the key measures of the airport director is number of passengers through the terminal so if there are no planes flying that’s no passengers! It’s in all their interests to check that everything is functioning and work together I just don’t get the first time someone realises it’s not working is when it snows ! I mean it’s not like the weather forecast did not predict it so why not go and check earlier on in the week . 

I remember about 15 years ago our car was three years old and had done plenty of reliable miles.

We were driving to go camping in France and I booked it in for a service the week before to make sure it was all good.

Clutch cable went not far south of Birmingham.  The car wasn’t old and was nowhere near a mileage where that should have happened.

To date and in 30 years of driving more than half a million miles it remains my only ever breakdown.

I am aware that I will

probably now break down tomorrow.

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3 minutes ago, CrazyDave said:

I remember about 15 years ago our car was three years old and had done plenty of reliable miles.

We were driving to go camping in France and I booked it in for a service the week before to make sure it was all good.

Clutch cable went not far south of Birmingham.  The car wasn’t old and was nowhere near a mileage where that should have happened.

To date and in 30 years of driving more than half a million miles it remains my only ever breakdown.

I am aware that I will

probably now break down tomorrow.

Clutch cable? What was it an eighties Escort!

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6 minutes ago, CrazyDave said:

I remember about 15 years ago our car was three years old and had done plenty of reliable miles.

We were driving to go camping in France and I booked it in for a service the week before to make sure it was all good.

Clutch cable went not far south of Birmingham.  The car wasn’t old and was nowhere near a mileage where that should have happened.

To date and in 30 years of driving more than half a million miles it remains my only ever breakdown.

I am aware that I will

probably now break down tomorrow.

And you know when the airport deicer was last serviced and checked do you ? 

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