Sheldon Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 Where does overall responsibility for "business continuity" lie at the airport, then? Even the simplest plans have to consider supplier chains and dependencies. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bastard Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 (edited) 14 minutes ago, IOM said: Contractually yes it’s not his direct responsibility. However I would expect there to be regular and ongoing dialogue between all relevant parties to ensure everything is in place as it should be . It’s nonsense to think that they all operate entirely separately and never talk to each other ! Of course they talk to one another. But as Roger pointed out, the de-icing contract is between the airlines and the ground handler. Whilst cancelled flights are frustrating, the airport itself doesn't run flights or ground handling. They don't intervene if your luggage is overweight, make sure Smiths has enough newspapers, or check if the plane has enough hot towelettes. They have no overall governance of the businesses that operate out of the airport, they literally provide the framework from which the businesses operate. The airport is open, the lights are on, the desks are running, the shops are open. If the ground handler's de-icing equipment is broken, that's unfortunate, but the airport doesn't govern that, it's a commercial arrangement. It's getting boring listening to the constant whingeing about Government where they're not even involved. Edited January 18 by The Bastard 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 Makes you wonder how often Menzies equipment is rolled out and tested. It doesn't snow 24/7/365 so there's really no excuse for them not to keep the equipment up to scratch. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyDave Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 2 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said: Makes you wonder how often Menzies equipment is rolled out and tested. It doesn't snow 24/7/365 so there's really no excuse for them not to keep the equipment up to scratch. FFS Stuff fails. We don’t know what failed, why or when. Formula 1 cars break down on warm Ups laps ffs. Sometimes shit just happens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 (edited) 1 minute ago, CrazyDave said: FFS Stuff fails. We don’t know what failed, why or when. Formula 1 cars break down on warm Ups laps ffs. Sometimes shit just happens It's not the first time though. Edited January 18 by Andy Onchan 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 22 minutes ago, Sheldon said: Where does overall responsibility for "business continuity" lie at the airport, then? Even the simplest plans have to consider supplier chains and dependencies. responsibility at the airport ???? you must be new........................................ 1 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyDave Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 2 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said: It's not the first time though. And? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Rushen Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 De-icing is the airline’s responsibility to ensure that if they operate into an airport where departure will require it. If it is contracted the airline is responsible for contracting and auditing the capability. This is a CAA requirement. So in all probability the unit had a fault that was not foreseen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheldon Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 Wonder when the fault was detected? As @CrazyDave implied above, it could well have been tested successfully last night but still failed when called upon this morning. You'd like to think any testing hadn't been left until the last minute, given the weather forecast. Also wonder what their documented RTO is after detection of a problem. (They may well have met that too, of course.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IOM Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 1 hour ago, The Bastard said: Of course they talk to one another. But as Roger pointed out, the de-icing contract is between the airlines and the ground handler. Whilst cancelled flights are frustrating, the airport itself doesn't run flights or ground handling. They don't intervene if your luggage is overweight, make sure Smiths has enough newspapers, or check if the plane has enough hot towelettes. They have no overall governance of the businesses that operate out of the airport, they literally provide the framework from which the businesses operate. The airport is open, the lights are on, the desks are running, the shops are open. If the ground handler's de-icing equipment is broken, that's unfortunate, but the airport doesn't govern that, it's a commercial arrangement. It's getting boring listening to the constant whingeing about Government where they're not even involved. I understand exactly what the remit of the airport is and I already pointed out I understand they are not directly responsible for deicing . However I assume one of the key measures of the airport director is number of passengers through the terminal so if there are no planes flying that’s no passengers! It’s in all their interests to check that everything is functioning and work together I just don’t get the first time someone realises it’s not working is when it snows ! I mean it’s not like the weather forecast did not predict it so why not go and check earlier on in the week . 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 1 minute ago, IOM said: I understand exactly what the remit of the airport is and I already pointed out I understand they are not directly responsible for deicing . However I assume one of the key measures of the airport director is number of passengers through the terminal so if there are no planes flying that’s no passengers! It’s in all their interests to check that everything is functioning and work together I just don’t get the first time someone realises it’s not working is when it snows ! I mean it’s not like the weather forecast did not predict it so why not go and check earlier on in the week . You're new here aren't you! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyDave Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 8 minutes ago, IOM said: I understand exactly what the remit of the airport is and I already pointed out I understand they are not directly responsible for deicing . However I assume one of the key measures of the airport director is number of passengers through the terminal so if there are no planes flying that’s no passengers! It’s in all their interests to check that everything is functioning and work together I just don’t get the first time someone realises it’s not working is when it snows ! I mean it’s not like the weather forecast did not predict it so why not go and check earlier on in the week . I remember about 15 years ago our car was three years old and had done plenty of reliable miles. We were driving to go camping in France and I booked it in for a service the week before to make sure it was all good. Clutch cable went not far south of Birmingham. The car wasn’t old and was nowhere near a mileage where that should have happened. To date and in 30 years of driving more than half a million miles it remains my only ever breakdown. I am aware that I will probably now break down tomorrow. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 3 minutes ago, CrazyDave said: I remember about 15 years ago our car was three years old and had done plenty of reliable miles. We were driving to go camping in France and I booked it in for a service the week before to make sure it was all good. Clutch cable went not far south of Birmingham. The car wasn’t old and was nowhere near a mileage where that should have happened. To date and in 30 years of driving more than half a million miles it remains my only ever breakdown. I am aware that I will probably now break down tomorrow. Clutch cable? What was it an eighties Escort! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IOM Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 6 minutes ago, CrazyDave said: I remember about 15 years ago our car was three years old and had done plenty of reliable miles. We were driving to go camping in France and I booked it in for a service the week before to make sure it was all good. Clutch cable went not far south of Birmingham. The car wasn’t old and was nowhere near a mileage where that should have happened. To date and in 30 years of driving more than half a million miles it remains my only ever breakdown. I am aware that I will probably now break down tomorrow. And you know when the airport deicer was last serviced and checked do you ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyDave Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 Just now, IOM said: And you know when the airport deicer was last serviced and checked do you ? No. Do you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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