Roger Mexico Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 19 minutes ago, code99 said: If you want to use the principle “user pays” to make the Airport cash-flow positive you would probably have to increase all airport charges by about 100%. These higher charges could make the Airport cash-flow positive, but at the same time they will significantly reduce passenger numbers. The overall costs of such a policy would be suffered by the Island as a whole. Actually it's worse than that. Because the reason airports are expensive to run is mainly down to fixed costs while income is mainly based on the numbers passing through. So smaller but more expensive doesn't really work as a model. It still needs massive subsidy, perhaps even more than before, but far fewer people benefit. Which may of course be the idea - a demand that the luxuries of the rich are paid for by reducing the essentials of the poor. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 16 hours ago, newaccount said: The airport is about two thirds lower passenger numbers than a few years ago - yet @Stu Peters calls for evidence. Haha. Majority of other airports are now the same or better than pre pandemic Neither of these statements are really true. Isle of Man Airport's pax figures are about three-quarters of what they were in 2019 and most UK airports are still worse than they were that year. That said IOMA's decline is still steeper than most. These are the total figures for each UK airport for 2023 taken from the CAA's December report compared to the equivalent for 2019 and ranked in order from the biggest drop (Doncaster - now closed) upwards. As you can see only four airports were busier than in 2019, two of them small and specialist: Airport 2023 Pax 2019 Pax % Change DONCASTER SHEFFIELD 0 1,407,862 -100.00% SOUTHEND 146,072 2,035,535 -92.82% SOUTHAMPTON 754,678 1,781,308 -57.63% EXETER 433,067 1,021,705 -57.61% CARDIFF WALES 837,252 1,654,920 -49.41% LONDON CITY 3,429,684 5,122,039 -33.04% NORWICH 357,852 530,328 -32.52% HUMBERSIDE 136,976 201,818 -32.13% ISLES OF SCILLY (ST.MARYS) 69,404 93,927 -26.11% CITY OF DERRY (EGLINTON) 154,486 203,777 -24.19% ABERDEEN 2,229,918 2,912,743 -23.44% STORNOWAY 105,256 129,500 -18.72% PRESTWICK 523,949 638,975 -18.00% KIRKWALL 134,123 161,516 -16.96% WICK JOHN O GROATS 10,719 12,892 -16.86% GLASGOW 7,355,987 8,843,214 -16.82% ISLAY 28,926 34,771 -16.81% LIVERPOOL (JOHN LENNON) 4,193,076 5,000,176 -16.14% EAST MIDLANDS INTERNATIONAL 3,932,497 4,674,338 -15.87% LANDS END (ST JUST) 54,336 63,847 -14.90% INVERNESS 801,338 937,728 -14.54% BELFAST CITY (GEORGE BEST) 2,115,153 2,455,259 -13.85% GATWICK 40,894,242 46,574,786 -12.20% BARRA 12,849 14,599 -11.99% LERWICK (TINGWALL) 2,913 3,309 -11.97% BENBECULA 30,660 34,656 -11.53% NEWQUAY 408,860 461,469 -11.40% CAMPBELTOWN 7,082 7,975 -11.20% LUTON 16,399,866 18,213,901 -9.96% BIRMINGHAM 11,479,335 12,646,456 -9.23% NEWCASTLE 4,818,885 5,198,952 -7.31% BLACKPOOL 14,365 15,213 -5.57% BELFAST INTERNATIONAL 5,956,888 6,278,374 -5.12% MANCHESTER 28,077,659 29,367,477 -4.39% SUMBURGH 258,478 267,420 -3.34% EDINBURGH 14,395,463 14,733,966 -2.30% HEATHROW 79,149,042 80,886,589 -2.15% TIREE 11,707 11,944 -1.98% STANSTED 27,951,116 28,124,292 -0.62% LEEDS BRADFORD 3,989,405 3,992,209 -0.07% BRISTOL 9,911,879 8,959,679 10.63% BOURNEMOUTH 950,028 803,127 18.29% TEESSIDE INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT 226,326 147,824 53.11% DUNDEE 32,862 20,917 57.11% TOTAL 272,784,659 296,683,312 -8.06% ISLE OF MAN 649,342 854,676 -24.02% JERSEY 1,468,812 1,762,949 -16.68% Analysis to follow. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 The CAA reports I used are UK only so I have added my own figures for IOM already quoted and calculated Jersey's from other sources. As you can see the UK air market was still down 8% on 2019 last year, but JER had worse figures and IOM still worse again. As usual some fairly random points There is a pattern where the largest Airport in a region has recovered better than secondary ones. So LHR performs better than LGW, MAN than LPL, EDI than GLA, BFS than BHD. This may also explain the strong showing of BRS at the expense of CWL and EXT (which will also suffer from Flybe's collapses). The charter/holiday market looks to have recovered better than scheduled. This may be behind strong performance for BOH and STN. Business travel looks to still be in the doldrums judging by the poor showing of LCY. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newaccount Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 (edited) https://marketingstockport.co.uk/news/manchester-airports-group-passenger-numbers-exceeded-pre-pandemic-figures-in-2023/ https://mediacentre.magairports.com/strong-december-performance-for-uks-largest-airports-group-sees-mag-serve-60m-passengers-in-2023/ Manchester Airports Group passenger numbers exceeded pre-pandemic figures in 2023 Edited February 20 by newaccount Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 4 minutes ago, newaccount said: https://marketingstockport.co.uk/news/manchester-airports-group-passenger-numbers-exceeded-pre-pandemic-figures-in-2023/ Manchester Airports Group passenger numbers exceeded pre-pandemic figures in 2023 As I said both MAN and STN did better than most though those figures still show them slightly down. Still I suppose we should always believe a press release more than the official figures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 Some interesting news here (with an IOM connection): https://travelweekly.co.uk/news/air/former-flybe-owner-part-of-potential-new-southend-airport-ownership-plan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 (edited) Whats going on today. Easy Jet from Gatwick delayed 2 hours because the IOM airport is closed? Contradicted by Easyjets flight tracker which says technical fault with the plane Edited February 22 by Happier diner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piebaps Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 24 minutes ago, Happier diner said: Whats going on today. Easy Jet from Gatwick delayed 2 hours because the IOM airport is closed? Contradicted by Easyjets flight tracker which says technical fault with the plane Loganair from LPL landed at 0914 and a private jet from Biggin Hill landed at 0944 and Loganair from Birmingham landed at 1003. That doesn't look like a closed airport - at least at the time EZY was due to arrive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nellie Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 1 hour ago, Happier diner said: Whats going on today. Easy Jet from Gatwick delayed 2 hours because the IOM airport is closed? Contradicted by Easyjets flight tracker which says technical fault with the plane easyJet tracker was correct. The aircraft needed to be changed after the gate at Gatwick had been closed. That takes time. Nothing more sinister. Nothing to see here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Nellie said: easyJet tracker was correct. The aircraft needed to be changed after the gate at Gatwick had been closed. That takes time. Nothing more sinister. Nothing to see here. I think you are wrong. Yes, easyjet had to put another plane on but that made them loose their slot and there was no ATC available at IOM so they had to wait until the new shift came on before departing gatwick adding 1.5 hrs to a 0.5hrs delay. That's straight from the horses mouth. Edited February 22 by Happier diner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x-in-man Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 You mean EasyJet put another plane on in order to lose the their slot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
english zloty Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Logan Air just announced that they're flying everywhere all at once. Ace, assuming they actually go (on time = double points bonus). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 51 minutes ago, x-in-man said: You mean EasyJet put another plane on in order to lose the their slot. Why would they do that? My son was on the flight. They were at the gate. easyJet announced a 20min delay while they changed plane. The plane appeared. Then easyJet announced a further delay because IOM ATC needed their break. 1.5 hours later they boarded. I know easyJet can sometimes be accused of bending the truth, but on this occasion I am siding with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nellie Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 1 hour ago, Happier diner said: Why would they do that? My son was on the flight. They were at the gate. easyJet announced a 20min delay while they changed plane. The plane appeared. Then easyJet announced a further delay because IOM ATC needed their break. 1.5 hours later they boarded. I know easyJet can sometimes be accused of bending the truth, but on this occasion I am siding with them. I don't usually defend the Airport, but these ATC issues are now just part of life, and, as a rule, they seem to try to schedule them when there's not much traffic scheduled. All part of living in Alf's Island Paradise. There is a planned closure at Ronaldsway between 11.00 and 11.35 daily. To get in by 11.00, easyJet needed to be out of Gatwick by 10.00 (give or take 5 minutes). This would have been two hours late. It seems that their announced 20 minutes delay (to 08.20) was a bit optimisitic, but if they'd been rolling by 09.00, they'd have had plenty of time to get here. The tracker shows they were eventually rolling at 09.47. So whatever went on between 08.20 and 09.47, it wasn't IOM ATC's fault. https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/g-eztc#3418193e I also know, from personal experience, that some easyJet pilots do not read the NOTAM's which tell them the closure times, until it is too late, and they are almost here. Overall. it looks like mostly easyJet's fault, on this occasion. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lcd Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 https://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/flight-disruption-warning-as-isle-of-man-airport-left-fragile-by-staff-shortages-667670 Wow..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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