NoTailT Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, asitis said: Yes but he was nuts ! we are in enough financial shite as it is ! we need someone to "manage" something not spend money, this has been the issue for years ! But, if they put solar panels on the roof technically that's a sustainability project... right? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ringy Rose Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 50 minutes ago, Nellie said: The bottom line, is that despite the Government's very expensive love-in with Loganair, they have very limited operational resilience, or interest in the IOM services. Normally when the ATR72 goes tech they fly one of the Embraer jets over from Teesside to cover until it is fixed. It looks like this is what they're going to do this morning, but not in time for the 7am Liverpool. Planes go tech, it happens. EasyJet don't have any more operational resilience, spare planes cost money so airlines don't have them. A shame it happened on Grand National day, it'll cost a fortune in UK261 compensation, but hey. 59 minutes ago, NoTailT said: This is why fleet commonality is so damn important. There aren't many airlines with a common fleet, Ryanair have the Boeing 737 and that's about it. Even EasyJet have a mix of aircraft, the A319, A320 and A321 have a common rating but if an A320 or A321 goes tech and the only spare is an A319 then people are getting left behind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoTailT Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Ringy Rose said: Normally when the ATR72 goes tech they fly one of the Embraer jets over from Teesside to cover until it is fixed. It looks like this is what they're going to do this morning, but not in time for the 7am Liverpool. Planes go tech, it happens. EasyJet don't have any more operational resilience, spare planes cost money so airlines don't have them. A shame it happened on Grand National day, it'll cost a fortune in UK261 compensation, but hey. There aren't many airlines with a common fleet, Ryanair have the Boeing 737 and that's about it. Even EasyJet have a mix of aircraft, the A319, A320 and A321 have a common rating but if an A320 or A321 goes tech and the only spare is an A319 then people are getting left behind. But we know easyJet has spare of all sizes around. Look at yesterday, EZY Liverpool was behind schedule but look at what happened. The intended aircraft to operate went tech, they flew in an A320 from somewhere else to fulfil the Liverpool schedule. Ok it resulted in a 2hr knock-on, but it got everyone where they needed to be. You can't send a 40 seat plane over on the start of the Easter holidays and expect to cover one that has 70 seats. It's a problem that is catching them out on their network generally, not just IOM. Eastern tend to draft in their E190 when their ATR's go tech. The E145 at DTV is flying this morning so can't get here till after lunchtime. It's going to be hard work playing catch up and deciding who flies and who doesn't, that's for sure. Like I said earlier, passenger goodwill is easily lost. Edited April 9, 2022 by NoTailT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoTailT Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 It gets better, hadn't seen this one!! https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/passengers-left-waiting-on-runway-due-to-airport-staffing-issues/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cissolt Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 20 minutes ago, NoTailT said: It gets better, hadn't seen this one!! https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/passengers-left-waiting-on-runway-due-to-airport-staffing-issues/ Imagine what it's going to be like for TT week. I don't remember seeing this catered for in the living with covid plan! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 Apparently the FC IOM opponents are stuck too and face a delay to get here for the game today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ringy Rose Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, NoTailT said: The E145 at DTV is flying this morning so can't get here till after lunchtime. It's going to be hard work playing catch up and deciding who flies and who doesn't, that's for sure. Like I said earlier, passenger goodwill is easily lost. Hopefully they might have fixed the ATR72. The E145 has 50 seats, certainly not ideal but no different to subbing an A319 for an A320. The big issue is Loganair's other ATR72s are all in Aberdeen. Looks like the E145 had to do the early Liverpool yesterday too. Planes go tech all the time, rubbish when it happens though. Hopefully there will be a bit more resilience when the London flights come on next week. 1 hour ago, NoTailT said: It gets better, hadn't seen this one!! Going off FlightRadar24 it looks like it was the late Gatwick, the inbound was 45 minutes late leaving Gatwick, arrived at 8.58 for a 9.05 departure back to London. So yeah, by the time they turned it round they'll have missed the window to get out before ATC shut. The staffing in ATC is ridiculous though, there shouldn't be the closure periods. Edited April 9, 2022 by Ringy Rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 1 hour ago, NoTailT said: Didnt Jez already draw plans up for that? Might be his legacy if it gets done! In a lovely shade of pink no doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerremonside Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 19 minutes ago, Ringy Rose said: The staffing in ATC is ridiculous though, there shouldn't be the closure periods. Absolutely agree Ringy, but a combination of factors - ATC hours regulation, and a shortage of fully qualified Controllers mean closures are, at the current time unavoidable. This isn't because the staff WANT to close, but because legally they HAVE to. Staffing is at best, 75% of what is required to provide a full service for all published hours. This is as a result of long term lack of recruitment, not replacing people who have left, and the training of new recruits taking longer due to COVID, and the compounding effect of the other factors above. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 This really is a sorry state of affairs. I don’t blame the Controllers, they have to follow the mandatory regulations. When will someone in charge realise that the sole aim of an airport is to enable the transport of passengers and freight by air in a safe, customer friendly and expeditions manner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ringy Rose Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, gerremonside said: a combination of factors - ATC hours regulation, and a shortage of fully qualified Controllers mean closures are, at the current time unavoidable. This isn't because the staff WANT to close, but because legally they HAVE to. Absolutely, I know it's not the staff's fault, it's a management issue with recruitment. And if a plane is late it'll get caught by the closure period. Edited April 9, 2022 by Ringy Rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 1 minute ago, Cypman said: This really is a sorry state of affairs. I don’t blame the Controllers, they have to follow the mandatory regulations. When will someone in charge realise that the sole aim of an airport is to enable the transport of passengers and freight by air in a safe, customer friendly and expeditions manner. Ahhhh the , someone in charge . Well there lies the problem totally with the airport and has been for years. Ohhh , we have had people with that title but were they remotely capable. Nope !! 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 4 minutes ago, gerremonside said: Staffing is at best, 75% of what is required to provide a full service for all published hours. This is as a result of long term lack of recruitment, not replacing people who have left, and the training of new recruits taking longer due to COVID, and the compounding effect of the other factors above. Why did Easyjet load up the plane with passengers if it was known ATC was going to shut down. Was Easyjet informed? Did they take a chance that they could get airborne before ATC shut down? Did airport management know the Easyjet departure was going to be late? Some other possibility? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 15 minutes ago, Two-lane said: Why did Easyjet load up the plane with passengers if it was known ATC was going to shut down. Was Easyjet informed? Did they take a chance that they could get airborne before ATC shut down? Did airport management know the Easyjet departure was going to be late? Some other possibility? Yes, EZY would have known. Notices are issued. They’ve been posted here. Its normal to board and try. After all it’s got subsequent rotations to fly. Time sat on the tarmac at Ronaldsway is dead time. Itd be a captain decision. He expected to be able to squeeze in and out. Nothing to do with airport management ( except for staff shortage in first place, which, to be fair was publicised ) Suspect issue may have been slow loading. If they had a couple of PRM, with the ambulift still not being commissioned, it will slow down embarkation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0bserver Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 Oh what a glorious mess we have at IOM! 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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