Airport.

[quilp]

Don't forget the skirting-boards. 

[snowman]

What's happening on the ground floor arrivals area? Photos were posted on this thread a while back of ceiliings partially removed 

[2112]

2 hours ago, quilp said:

At the end of that interview, Crockall is asked whether the app has been developed locally and, more importantly, at what cost. Seems the app supplier is not local and not a word from him about how much it's going to cost US.

So come on Tim, who's the supplier and how much..? I'd wager he doesn't even know.

Will someone in our government-friendly media press him for an answer? 

So much for our island full of IT creative types. Sadly if IOMG did put the app out to tender from local IT creatives you can be guaranteed that both on island or off island will effectively charge over the odds, and what’s the guarantee of service delivery and maintenance of the app, especially when Apple introduce a new iOS version every year and there are often bugs which occur when there is an update to the iOS. Does that mean that if there are issues with the app and there are no other means of paying, the DOI is potentially losing money.

[forestboy]

13 minutes ago, 2112 said:

So much for our island full of IT creative types. Sadly if IOMG did put the app out to tender from local IT creatives you can be guaranteed that both on island or off island will effectively charge over the odds, and what’s the guarantee of service delivery and maintenance of the app, especially when Apple introduce a new iOS version every year and there are often bugs which occur when there is an update to the iOS. Does that mean that if there are issues with the app and there are no other means of paying, the DOI is potentially losing money.

It’s another DOI complete cock up of a decision which will eventually bite them in the ass and we’ll be asked to pick up the pieces yet again with even more loss of revenue. 

[emesde]

Mr Crookall says the Island's coins have made things difficult:

When he said that I thought he meant the difference between English and manx coins(which as we know isn't a problem) 

What it seems he did mean that there aren't any coins left of any sort. 

[Bandits]

Just now, emesde said:

What it seems he did mean that there aren't any coins left of any sort. 

Nobody at the DOI will even know what a £1 coin looks like. They won’t have had to spend an amount so small ever. Crookall is just repeating the lies told to him by the serial liars in his department.

[Numbnuts]

It seems clear and obvious that CS in DOI are blagging it. Its like playing russian roulette with tax payers money. TBH its long past a joke now and it asks big questions over the mentality and inteligence of those tasked as DOI ministers. Mind blowing 

Edited May 6, 2022 by Numbnuts

[Roger Mexico]

5 hours ago, quilp said:

And so it goes. No money for the barriers, you couldn't make it up...

https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/app-based-parking-a-fairly-good-solution-says-doi-minister/

Even assuming that replacing the barriers would actually cost "more than £200,000" (maybe quilp could get some costings), how does that justify doing nothing and losing £50,000 a month - never mind the associated chaos at the Airport.  And never mind the DoI, what on earth is Treasury there for?  

You do wonder if there may be a problem in getting any purchases, no matter how urgent, through the AG's Office red tape, though that never seemed to have stopped Longworth etc in the past.  It may just be that they can buy the app without so much paperwork and that is why this solution is being chosen.

But none of what Crookall says in that interview makes much sense.  If there are no barriers how is being using the app going to be enforced?  If there's some sort of number plate recognition system will this work reliably?  He's claiming that they can't employ people to run parking at the Airport, but saying there will be a disc parking zone which will presumably need to be policed.  Nothing seems thought-through.

[Numbnuts]

55 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

Even assuming that replacing the barriers would actually cost "more than £200,000" (maybe quilp could get some costings), how does that justify doing nothing and losing £50,000 a month - never mind the associated chaos at the Airport.  And never mind the DoI, what on earth is Treasury there for?  

You do wonder if there may be a problem in getting any purchases, no matter how urgent, through the AG's Office red tape, though that never seemed to have stopped Longworth etc in the past.  It may just be that they can buy the app without so much paperwork and that is why this solution is being chosen.

But none of what Crookall says in that interview makes much sense.  If there are no barriers how is being using the app going to be enforced?  If there's some sort of number plate recognition system will this work reliably?  He's claiming that they can't employ people to run parking at the Airport, but saying there will be a disc parking zone which will presumably need to be policed.  Nothing seems thought-through.

Crookall  , in my view , is like a rabbit caught in headlights and is bullshitting as he himself doesnt know the real answers or thought process going on in that Dept. Looks like the jobs to much for him too ! 

Edited May 6, 2022 by Numbnuts

[finlo]

2 minutes ago, Numbnuts said:

Baker , in my view , is like a rabbit caught in headlights and is bullshitting as he himself doesnt know the real answers or thought process going on in that Dept

Baker?

[Roger Mexico]

13 minutes ago, Numbnuts said:

Baker , in my view , is like a rabbit caught in headlights and is bullshitting as he himself doesnt know the real answers or thought process going on in that Dept. Looks like the jobs to much for him too ! 

I think you've got your Tims in a twist.

Though of course a lot of this is the fault of Baker who was in charge when the barriers stopped working and who seems to have done nothing to arrange for anyone competent to take over from Reynolds.  Even though it's nearly a year since her departure was announced, there's still no one who has designated to take over (though Crookall is claiming they do have someone) never mind starting in post.

[quilp]

All pertinent questions @Roger Mexico. Especially solving the burgeoning losses incurred with having nothing in place. Each day that passes adds to that loss of income. My opinion is the simplest solution would be to install a machine able to recognise currency, debit card or an issued ticket. As has been proven, these devices are available rather than being "impossible" to source. Oh, and barriers which are suitably weather-proofed too. 🙄 There may be numerous 'what-ifs' in using a specially-designed app and not everyone is happy with their personal information being used (and shared) online just for parking ones car. Also, when asked about the cost of this app and everything that accompanies it Crookall swerved answering, but this is probably because he doesn’t know, having not being advised by whoever came up with it in the first place. Did he also say it would take 4-6 weeks for the app-based system to be live? That means continued daily losses until its installation. Do the math, that's a considerable amount of cash down the pan. Which is probably more than the cost of a couple of bodies overseeing the car park in the meantime.

And it's been out of service for how long already?

Totally inexcusable as far as I'm concerned.

[Non-Believer]

6 hours ago, quilp said:

So come on Tim, who's the supplier and how much..?

If the new barriers have been quoted at £200k then the app will be £300k.

We are dealing with the DOI.

[Numbnuts]

Sorry , amended , the problem is they seemingly are all equally rubbish . 

[emesde]

National car parks in the UK use an online system at around 100 of their car parks. Prebooking spaces etc? And paying on account. It works well for companies who's employees can use at different sights around the country. They use ANPR type cameras to record every number plate in and out. They have tv monitors and staff to keep checks, they have accounts depts to deal with payments and queries. (lots of those) they have legal people to deal with overdue debt, accounts etc etc.. 

I don't believe there is anyone who would think this type of system will not cost a huge amount compared with a couple of new barriers. ANPR cameras alone will not be cheap. It is not meant for one off car parks. 

It's not just buying an app.